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Aug 25, 2018 20:56:51   #
GENorkus Loc: Washington Twp, Michigan
 
First let me say that most of you will either ignore me of take my thoughts as something from a fool simple because I am a happy Pentax user. I basically switched away from Nikon back around 1985. That being said, here are my thoughts.


Too many people are down grading the soon-to-be-reliesed Z6 and z7 before it's out there. Sure they are not the perfact thing for everyone, big deal, it's their first step into a relitively new world. Give Nikon a chance for peat sake!

I'm really glad they went to an in-body stab unit. In the future that will give them something to come out with good stab abilities, their version of Astrotracing and Pixel shift technology, let alone "the future".

Another thing that might be a little far out. I noticed the specs claiming a larger lens mount, one that allows a 0.95 aperture on select lenses. That is nice for people who do alot of low light stuff even if it's near impossible to properly focus it.

One last thing. Think about this. Could the larger lens mount possibly be a precursor to a Nikon mid frame camera?

You can thank me for starting that rumor. LoL

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Aug 25, 2018 21:04:41   #
BebuLamar
 
I don't like using the same mount for different formats. They can make APS-C or Medium format but use different mount.

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Aug 25, 2018 21:17:38   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
GENorkus wrote:
. Could the larger lens mount possibly be a precursor to a Nikon mid frame camera?

You can thank me for starting that rumor. LoL


You didn't start that rumor and besides its not big enough for medium format.

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Aug 25, 2018 21:31:28   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
GENorkus wrote:
First let me say that most of you will either ignore me of take my thoughts as something from a fool simple because I am a happy Pentax user. I basically switched away from Nikon back around 1985. That being said, here are my thoughts.


Too many people are down grading the soon-to-be-reliesed Z6 and z7 before it's out there. Sure they are not the perfact thing for everyone, big deal, it's their first step into a relitively new world. Give Nikon a chance for peat sake!

I'm really glad they went to an in-body stab unit. In the future that will give them something to come out with good stab abilities, their version of Astrotracing and Pixel shift technology, let alone "the future".

Another thing that might be a little far out. I noticed the specs claiming a larger lens mount, one that allows a 0.95 aperture on select lenses. That is nice for people who do alot of low light stuff even if it's near impossible to properly focus it.

One last thing. Think about this. Could the larger lens mount possibly be a precursor to a Nikon mid frame camera?

You can thank me for starting that rumor. LoL
First let me say that most of you will either igno... (show quote)


You're right about the larger mount needed for the f/.95 lens that is scheduled to be released next year. As far as medium format, it is too nichy for Nikon.

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Aug 25, 2018 21:35:59   #
BebuLamar
 
Nikon has made lenses for all different format from larger format to medium format to 35mm and for super 8 film. But they never make a camera with sensor or film larger than 35mm.

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Aug 25, 2018 23:08:44   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
GENorkus wrote:
First let me say that most of you will either ignore me of take my thoughts as something from a fool simple because I am a happy Pentax user. I basically switched away from Nikon back around 1985. That being said, here are my thoughts.


Too many people are down grading the soon-to-be-reliesed Z6 and z7 before it's out there. Sure they are not the perfact thing for everyone, big deal, it's their first step into a relitively new world. Give Nikon a chance for peat sake!

I'm really glad they went to an in-body stab unit. In the future that will give them something to come out with good stab abilities, their version of Astrotracing and Pixel shift technology, let alone "the future".

Another thing that might be a little far out. I noticed the specs claiming a larger lens mount, one that allows a 0.95 aperture on select lenses. That is nice for people who do alot of low light stuff even if it's near impossible to properly focus it.

One last thing. Think about this. Could the larger lens mount possibly be a precursor to a Nikon mid frame camera?

You can thank me for starting that rumor. LoL
First let me say that most of you will either igno... (show quote)


Nikon has actually recorded at least 3 patents for medium format sensors in recent years, including one for a curved sensor. A recent comparison of sensor sizes to Z mount body against the Fuji medium format showed it is indeed a possibility. There could in fact be a medium format sensor coming in Nikons Z format body at some point in the future as technology in the digital camera age is advancing at an ever increasing pace.

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Aug 26, 2018 06:47:44   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I don't like using the same mount for different formats. They can make APS-C or Medium format but use different mount.


I don't understand that. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to use the same lens on all your bodies, using its strengths for each format. I haven't heard anybody complain about being able to use their FF Nikon lenses on their DX cameras. In fact, when I bought my first DSLR, a Nikon D1x, I had a half dozen lenses from my film cameras. If they didn't fit it would have been a long time before I would have switched to digital. All/most DSLRs at that time were crop sensor. Today I use those same lenses on full frame DSLRs.

What would be the draw back to a universal mount?

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Aug 26, 2018 07:01:13   #
DannyKaye Loc: Sheffield now but soon moving to Blanzay
 
Not sure about that, some of Nikon's lenses are very niche market, they made a zoom lens especially for one high school baseball game for heavens sake!

Zoom-Nikkor 1200-1700mm f/5.6-8P IF-ED from the early 90s, which held the record for the longest ever 35mm zoom for some time.

Weighing in at 16kg/35lbs, and 888mm/35 in long, it was a behemoth by any stretch of the imagination. When it was released in 1990, it had an asking price of around $60,000-$75,000, and required a unique, two-section lens barrel.

Introduced in 1990, this behemoth of a lens was first used at Koshien Stadium, where Japan holds its annual huge high school baseball tournament.

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Aug 26, 2018 07:02:05   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
joer wrote:
You didn't start that rumor and besides its not big enough for medium format.



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Aug 26, 2018 07:26:30   #
BebuLamar
 
Bill_de wrote:
I don't understand that. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to use the same lens on all your bodies, using its strengths for each format. I haven't heard anybody complain about being able to use their FF Nikon lenses on their DX cameras. In fact, when I bought my first DSLR, a Nikon D1x, I had a half dozen lenses from my film cameras. If they didn't fit it would have been a long time before I would have switched to digital. All/most DSLRs at that time were crop sensor. Today I use those same lenses on full frame DSLRs.

What would be the draw back to a universal mount?

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I don't understand that. Wouldn't it be nice to be... (show quote)


Confusion with the crop factor etc... as you have seen so many posts here on the UHH asking about that issue and a lot of people still don't get it.

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Aug 26, 2018 07:54:16   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
Bill_de wrote:
I don't understand that. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to use the same lens on all your bodies, using its strengths for each format. I haven't heard anybody complain about being able to use their FF Nikon lenses on their DX cameras. In fact, when I bought my first DSLR, a Nikon D1x, I had a half dozen lenses from my film cameras. If they didn't fit it would have been a long time before I would have switched to digital. All/most DSLRs at that time were crop sensor. Today I use those same lenses on full frame DSLRs.

What would be the draw back to a universal mount?

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I don't understand that. Wouldn't it be nice to be... (show quote)


Nikon is already releasing a "universal for Nikon" mount.. It allows the Z camera bodies to use current Nikon lenses (both FX and DX). It does have the same limitations as using an older non-af or AFS lens on the newer bodies.. meaning that the lenses may NOT autofocus or auto aperture... making them "manual" lenses. Now, as I understand this (from printed info only and nothing completely official) the newest "Silent Wave Lenses" will be completely automatic on the new adapter. But all of the older lenses will be manual. Still this gives the Z format camera buyers (who are already Nikon DX or FX users) the ability to use ALL of their old lenses.. and also keep their older cameras if they choose. What this does is give Nikon Z purchasers (both current Nikon DX/FX owners and new users) immediate ability to not only be able to purchase from Nikon's current extensive lineup of lenses but also to use any lenses they may already own. So far, this is an ability that none of the other Mirrorless Cameras can claim. Even now (as I understand Canon's product line) Canon has separate lens lineups that will ONLY work on specific bodies. And they (as I understand it) failed to keep compatibility between their older lenses and newer products. Nikon has maintained their lens compatibility (essentially) back to the old film days on SLR/DSLR camera bodies.. Now, that's no saying that the older lens will provide all of the features of the new body, nor does it mean that the new body can provide all of it's features to the older lens. But that photographer will have the ability to continue to use that $3000 to $5000 or more lens that they purchased 4 years ago rather than dumping their entire inventory of cameras and lenses.
Personally, I have a D7000 (wife's camera) a D7100 and a D610. Since I'm happy with my cameras and am 66 years old, I probably won't (unless the cameras get too many shots or get damaged) replace any of them. But it's nice to know that I can and will be able to continue to use my FX and a couple of DX lenses into the future, regardless of bodies.

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Aug 26, 2018 09:37:03   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
It is still early to make comments about the new cameras. Very few photographers have some experience with the new pre-production models but something I have heard to talk about has been that the AF is not precisely something to write home about it.
Olympus pioneered with mirrorless bodies the IBIS system. It has been copied by others and it will not come as a surprise if Nikon has done the same.
I am making no further comments. The new cameras right now are pre-production products.

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Aug 26, 2018 11:16:07   #
rcarol
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Nikon has made lenses for all different format from larger format to medium format to 35mm and for super 8 film. But they never make a camera with sensor or film larger than 35mm.


Are you sure that Nikon has never delved into the large format arena. Didn't they produce the Bronica line of cameras and lenses?

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Aug 26, 2018 11:21:18   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Perhaps, Maybe an inquiry directed to Nikon would be a better approach than posting that thought here. I know I've got two Nikkor lenses (a 120 and 300) for much larger than 35mm format. At one time they made 120 format lenses. So, who knows?
--Bob

GENorkus wrote:
First let me say that most of you will either ignore me of take my thoughts as something from a fool simple because I am a happy Pentax user. I basically switched away from Nikon back around 1985. That being said, here are my thoughts.


Too many people are down grading the soon-to-be-reliesed Z6 and z7 before it's out there. Sure they are not the perfact thing for everyone, big deal, it's their first step into a relitively new world. Give Nikon a chance for peat sake!

I'm really glad they went to an in-body stab unit. In the future that will give them something to come out with good stab abilities, their version of Astrotracing and Pixel shift technology, let alone "the future".

Another thing that might be a little far out. I noticed the specs claiming a larger lens mount, one that allows a 0.95 aperture on select lenses. That is nice for people who do alot of low light stuff even if it's near impossible to properly focus it.

One last thing. Think about this. Could the larger lens mount possibly be a precursor to a Nikon mid frame camera?

You can thank me for starting that rumor. LoL
First let me say that most of you will either igno... (show quote)

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Aug 26, 2018 11:22:52   #
BebuLamar
 
rcarol wrote:
Are you sure that Nikon has never delved into the large format arena. Didn't they produce the Bronica line of cameras and lenses?


I don't know about Bronica lenses but they did make lenses for MF but never camera. They make a lot of lenses for large format but not a camera. Bronica cameras are not Nikon made.

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