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Aug 16, 2018 23:26:04   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
I agree that understanding the underlying principles is very important. It also applies to ne of my other hobbies, woodworking. If you understand the principles you can solve any woodworking challenge in a number of ways depending upon what tools you have availability. Same deal in photography.

burkphoto wrote:
I was in high school when I got bit by the photo bug. My parents gave me a set of the Time Life Library of Photography via subscription, in the early 1970s. I DEVOURED those books. (Mom immediately regretted it. She wanted me to be a doctor, or a lawyer like my sister!)

I was the photographer for my school's newspaper and yearbook, and sold a lot of photos to my friends, too. So I got that structured background by reading photo magazines, the T-L series books, and then by doing.

When I joined a school portrait and yearbook company in 1979, it was to produce big multi-image slide shows. I thanked my parents for those books every time I saw them for a few years. I took the entire set to the office, where they stayed for 33 years. I bought the second edition of the same series for my home use. I still have them.

I always have found that understanding the principles behind the technology is the MOST enabling thing I can learn. If you know how and why something works, you know just what you can, and cannot, do with it.
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Aug 16, 2018 23:33:34   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Understanding how light meters work and the exposure triangle is important basics knowledge in my opinion. But I really consider the exposure triangle to be shutter speed, aperture and light. Sometimes you can add light with flash or strobes. Sometimes buy using a slower shutter speed or larger aperture. Increasing ISO is just amplifying the signal, but cameras are getting better and better at it. Each of these is a choice and compromise. There can be many correct exposures for any given picture but each will be impacted by the choices made in camera to capture the image.

OneShotOne18 wrote:
Ok all y'all camera smarties....I truly do want to learn manual shooting. And I understand that when a setting is changed that it will affect another setting somehow. Sorry to say this but like the dumb blond joke " I just don't get it". I have watched countless videos and have tried "on my own " to learn it but in frustration I just wanted to throw my camera BUT of course I won't do that. I guess my question is this - Is there a chart ( like to a color wheel ) that will show that if I make a change in one setting that it will show what else it affects and how to correct what needs to corrected? From lower than novice and slower than slow, I thank you!
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Aug 16, 2018 23:40:55   #
Shutterbug57
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Yup! only the high end cameras don't. Like the Nikon D5 there is no manual setting on a dial on top of it.


True, but it does have a manual setting. You push a button on top and spin a dial on the back.

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Aug 16, 2018 23:59:55   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
swartfort wrote:
I find that the BIGGEST benefit in getting out of AUTO (I use a Nikon d3400) is that I am able to chose my meter mode and my focus modes. When we let the camera choose everything, often it meters on the brightest spots, and will focus on the closest thing in the viewfinder. That is not always what we try to capture in our images. The P mode allows this as do S, A, M.

There are many Youtube videos that you can watch, just do a youtube search and you will find a ton of information.

Books are available also. Many to choose from, but I find that I learn better with the camera in my hand, a video in front of me, and practice and experiment. PIXELS ARE FREE
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I also am enjoying my D3400 and not being in AUTO. It’s quite a learning curve for me but holding the camera while watching YouTube, reading books and practicing the S,A and P modes is really working for me. This camera is VERY easy to learn how to use and makes learning fun.

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Aug 17, 2018 00:13:51   #
graybeard
 
burkphoto wrote:
Some of us are perfectionists who like to MAKE rather than take.


Excuse me O Thou great creative one.................

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Aug 17, 2018 00:34:33   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
gvarner wrote:
Looking back on my own learning experience, I would advise newbies to start methodically with manual mode. Either use self-taught trial and error or use a more studied, formal approach. Digital film is cheap, take lots of pictures and be self-critical. I skipped most of this advise and, after 50+ years, am still pretty much an advanced snapshooter. And study the light whether indoors or out. Planning ahead will result in more successful shots and eventually become automatic in your process. Those are my thoughts.
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In reading all the replies, and considering that I bought my very first SLR in 1969 and it was manual everything, manual is a no brainer to me at this point. But how often do I actually use manual mode now? Only when I don't want the camera to make decisions for me. Most of the time it is Aperture Priority or Shutter Priority. And with long zoom bridge cameras, it is Auto Mode since I find that the available ranges for ISO, Shutter Speed and Aperture are more limited and it can easily hit the limit.

When I do astrophotography, I only use manual mode. This is one place that I don't want the camera making any decisions.

And I suppose we should include manual focus in this discussion too. I go to manual focus when there is a good chance that the camera won't know what I am interested in focusing on. Simple as that. And I definitely use the focus magnifier since my focusing efforts without it are never are as good as I really want. And I avoid focus peaking (talking mirrorless camera) since it is not as accurate as focus magnifier. But it is useful when there is insufficient time to use the focus magnifier, for instance if the subject is moving.

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Aug 17, 2018 01:22:48   #
graybeard
 
JimH123 wrote:
In reading all the replies, and considering that I bought my very first SLR in 1969 and it was manual everything, manual is a no brainer to me at this point. But how often do I actually use manual mode now? Only when I don't want the camera to make decisions for me. Most of the time it is Aperture Priority or Shutter Priority. And with long zoom bridge cameras, it is Auto Mode since I find that the available ranges for ISO, Shutter Speed and Aperture are more limited and it can easily hit the limit.

When I do astrophotography, I only use manual mode. This is one place that I don't want the camera making any decisions.

And I suppose we should include manual focus in this discussion too. I go to manual focus when there is a good chance that the camera won't know what I am interested in focusing on. Simple as that. And I definitely use the focus magnifier since my focusing efforts without it are never are as good as I really want. And I avoid focus peaking (talking mirrorless camera) since it is not as accurate as focus magnifier. But it is useful when there is insufficient time to use the focus magnifier, for instance if the subject is moving.
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I have found it almost impossible to get a bird in flight in focus using autofocus. Manual works much better for me.

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Aug 17, 2018 02:32:36   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
graybeard wrote:
I have found it almost impossible to get a bird in flight in focus using autofocus. Manual works much better for me.


Depends upon the camera and lens, as well as the type of bird. I can easily get good focus on the larger birds that tend to fly in straight paths allow me to aim carefully.

As for the smaller birds, that dart all over the place, I too find AF impossible. I keep trying for a pair of Kingfishers that just will not sit still, and I have nothing to show for it.

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Aug 17, 2018 04:36:01   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
burkphoto wrote:
When most people say this sort of thing, and you quiz them on their real meaning, the conversation gets to a point that they REALLY mean you should learn the physics of photography:

How does the meter work? How do you use it? What do the various metering patterns do?
What is exposure?
What is ISO? How does it relate to exposure?
What is the purpose of Aperture control? How does it relate to exposure? How does it affect depth of field and diffraction?
What is the purpose of Shutter Speed control? How does it relate to exposure? How does it relate to camera shake, motion blur, and action stopping ability?
What is depth of field?
What is focal length? How does it affect depth perspective?
What is format size? How does it relate to focal length, and by extension, depth of field and angle of view? How does it affect low light performance?
What is focus? How does YOUR particular camera adjust focus (Manually, single point, multi-point, face or eye tracking, regular tracking...)
What is diffraction limiting of sharpness? How do I avoid it?
What is the Inverse/Square Law? (1/D^2, or "All radiation (light, in photography, and sound, in video) dissipates with the inverse of the square of the distance from the source") Why should I care?

I could go on and on, but the point is that an understanding of the variables you can manipulate and how you can manipulate them is what enables you to get FULL potential from the various automatic modes on your camera or flash. It is not enough to, "Set 'er on 'A' and pray!" Murphy's Law says that will let you down when you least want to fail. Knowing how to manipulate the right variables to your advantage in any situation requires a deeper look at HOW it all works. That can occur through a LOT of reading, practice, classroom discussion, and other means. Practice in manual mode is but one of them.

It's not about the medium of film or digital. It's about applied physics.

The ART of photography is an entirely different matter. Needless to say, an artists' ability to control the tools greatly affects the finished work.
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Aug 17, 2018 04:38:54   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Some people are camera users and snap shooters and other people are photographers and artists.

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Aug 17, 2018 04:46:54   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
User ID wrote:
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There is no way to learn a mode.

You can't learn manual mode.

Just learn photography. learning
photography is NOT the same as
learning your camera.

Photography is a practice and a
trade ... but not an art. Art is art
regardless of the medium. Forget
art, forget your camera. Learn a
practice.

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manual is about controlling the camera the first step to photography.

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Aug 17, 2018 07:12:13   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
BebuLamar wrote:
So I think most schools that teach photography do it in the wrong way as I think most of them would teach the students how to use the camera in the manual mode first. So they are wrong?



If that approach had a 100% or even an 80% success rate, I would say they were right. But any teacher who thinks that there is one "BEST" approach is doomed to failure over time and for a large number of their students. Further the OP refers to "self-taught" which is a very different kettle of fish from classroom taught. Self-taught means more attention to individual learning modalities and tailoring of the approach to learning. Of course not everyone has kept up with advances in pedagogy as it has developed over the last 30-40 years. One size fits all is now known not to work.

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Aug 17, 2018 14:48:53   #
MaryFran Loc: Front Royal, VA
 
"It's way more involved than can be covered adequately in blog posts or Youtube videos. Get at least one book to read, study and learn. Bryan Peterson's "Understanding Exposure" is an excellent investment if you want to learn to use a camera well... IMO, it might be the best <$20 you ever spend on your photography! Peterson does a good job explaining how and why to use all the different exposure modes of a modern camera. But it really takes a book to cover it all thoroughly."

Thanks for the recommendation. Our library has a copy of the latest edition which I plan to get out today. Perhaps buy my own copy after looking at it.

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Aug 17, 2018 18:26:27   #
Paladin48 Loc: Orlando
 
swartfort wrote:
I suggest steps first. Work with Aperture Priority and/or Shutter Priority settings first. See the relation in the exposure triangle and how altering one variable will alter the other two as your camera adjusts to make a usable image. As you learn the relationship between the three, and start to look at light, you will see/experience/learn how to manipulate them individually and then in combination. Then using Manual mode with auto ISO lets you alter 2 of the three, and then, if you wish full Manual is an easy last step.

IMHO, when you leave Auto Mode, you stop taking pictures and start capturing IMAGES!!!! Best to all!!
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Excellent advice ... thank you ... I say I'm going to do this process but I always rush it and don't retain it because of that. It gets down to muscle memory after all. I must get a little more Zen about this.

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Aug 17, 2018 18:58:20   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
JimH123 wrote:
Depends upon the camera and lens, as well as the type of bird. I can easily get good focus on the larger birds that tend to fly in straight paths allow me to aim carefully.

As for the smaller birds, that dart all over the place, I too find AF impossible. I keep trying for a pair of Kingfishers that just will not sit still, and I have nothing to show for it.


I have a hard enough time getting my dog to sit still much less wild birds. I am no where near where many of you are with focussing and composing.

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