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Handheld macro with high megapixel cameras.
Aug 10, 2018 09:10:53   #
Jerrin1 Loc: Wolverhampton, England
 
Dear Chums, I am considering purchasing either a 'used' Sony A7II or Sony A7RII as a dedicated macro camera. I already own a Sony A7III but am fed up with having to change lenses. Up until recently I owned two camera bodies; so there was never a need to change lenses in order to shoot macro or general wildlife. Though I am happy with the macro images I have produced with my A7III, I am conscious of the fact that most of my images are cropped. In the past, I have used a Canon 7D mark II, a Nikon D500 - both of which are APS-C format, and an Olympus EM1 mark II M43 format for macro work. Now I have changed to a full frame format I wonder if, given the fact that a lot of my images are cropped, whether I would be better off with the 42 megapixel A7RII, rather than the 24 megapixel A7II. If you have experience of using higher megapixel cameras for macro photography, and have a few moments to spare, I would be grateful for your observations regarding cropping (vs cropping a 24 MP image) and whether handholding at shutter speeds of 1/250th or less is a real option. Thanks a lot.

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Aug 10, 2018 21:22:56   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
I am NOT familiar with Sony, but I concur that high pixel count is superior for macro-photography. I upgraded from 24MP to 36MP, and really enjoy the ability to crop tighter in past processing.

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Aug 10, 2018 21:25:24   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
With my hand-held, diffused speedlight macro set-up, my camera settings are ALWAYS 1/250-sec at f/16, ISO 200. For correct exposure, I vary the speedlight output, depending on color brightness of subject.

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Aug 10, 2018 22:42:41   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
I would love to use two camera bodies outdoors, using them similarly to how you describe. Right now I have to switch out the macro with my telephoto lens. But I believe I would also want an external flash on both cameras (!) That is b/c I often still use the flash to help fill in shadows when I am using the telephoto. So, oy, using two cameras, both with a flash, would be cumbersome!

I always crop. It is not usually not to effectively enlarge the subject so it is the main part of the picture. It is more of a compositional/aesthetic thing. Cropping is cropping.

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Aug 11, 2018 06:07:08   #
Jerrin1 Loc: Wolverhampton, England
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
I am NOT familiar with Sony, but I concur that high pixel count is superior for macro-photography. I upgraded from 24MP to 36MP, and really enjoy the ability to crop tighter in past processing.


Thank you for your reply. Whilst the theory of more megapixels for cropping is easily understood, the practical difference is not always apparent. I am grateful to you for posting your practical experience.

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Aug 11, 2018 06:12:32   #
Jerrin1 Loc: Wolverhampton, England
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
With my hand-held, diffused speedlight macro set-up, my camera settings are ALWAYS 1/250-sec at f/16, ISO 200. For correct exposure, I vary the speedlight output, depending on color brightness of subject.


I do use a Neewer 320 mini speedlight and Apurture, credit card size LED panel. But on a number of occasions this summer natural daylight has been sufficient for 1/60th - 1/125th @ ISO 100. Whilst those shutter speeds are fine for a 24 MP camera I feel thay may be too slow for a 42 MP camera: but with no practical experience I felt it better to ask.

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Aug 11, 2018 06:27:58   #
Jerrin1 Loc: Wolverhampton, England
 
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
I would love to use two camera bodies outdoors, using them similarly to how you describe. Right now I have to switch out the macro with my telephoto lens. But I believe I would also want an external flash on both cameras (!) That is b/c I often still use the flash to help fill in shadows when I am using the telephoto. So, oy, using two cameras, both with a flash, would be cumbersome!

I always crop. It is not usually not to effectively enlarge the subject so it is the main part of the picture. It is more of a compositional/aesthetic thing. Cropping is cropping.
I would love to use two camera bodies outdoors, us... (show quote)


I have used two camera bodies for many years but recently swapped (literally) my Nikon D500 system and Olympus EM1 mark II system for a single A7III system. I won't bore you as to why I changed, but at the time I believed I would manage with just one camera body. Alas, that is not the case. Generally, I use one body + long prime or zoom for birds in flight/dragonflies in flight and other, non macro subjects: and the second body is fitted with a macro lens. I only really need a mini speedlight/LED panel for macro work; though I do have a speedlight with a GN of 60 + flash extender for non macro subjects, should extra light be necessary. Always check out the second hand market if you are on a restricted budget. My query related to whether the extra megapixels might be outweighed by the need to always having to use a tripod, or whether handholding is readily achievable.

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Aug 14, 2018 22:42:14   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
Jerrin1 wrote:
Whilst the theory of more megapixels for cropping is easily understood, the practical difference is not always apparent.
Remember that the same macro lens on a 24Mp (APS-C) camera and then on a 42Mp (full frame) camera, is set at the same Working Distance. The difference will be MORE field-of-view will be captured on the physically larger sensor, at the same magnification.



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