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Aug 10, 2018 19:00:38   #
Shootist Loc: Wyoming
 
Yes and yes and yes to all. The softness is what sent me to UHH for advice.
DanielB wrote:
Hi Shootist, The photo composition is nice although the photo is a bit soft & noisy - probably due to crop you put on the image. It also may be that the lens is a bit soft at 600mm but that can be tested pretty easily by placing the camera on a tripod and shooting a fixed object at different focal lengths to see what you get. Do you use any sharpening & noise reduction software like Nik by Dxo? If not you should consider it. I'm not a big Gimp fan for post on photos either.

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Aug 10, 2018 19:01:02   #
Shootist Loc: Wyoming
 
Thanks very much.
Chuckwal wrote:
like the image
chuck

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Aug 10, 2018 19:01:38   #
Shootist Loc: Wyoming
 
Thanks.
tdekany wrote:
With BIF, I have to disagree. I have seen numerous snapshot shooters who, when switching to a D500 are now producing fantastic photos.

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Aug 10, 2018 19:02:20   #
Shootist Loc: Wyoming
 
Thanks for the comments.
davidb1879 wrote:
I think your bird is very good. If you want to upgrade your equipment check the net to find photos taken with the Nikon 200-500mm. I have seen and heard very good things about the Tamron 150-600. That lens has two versions. I saw an excellent bird that was taken with the less expensive version of the lens. Good luck. Davidb1879.

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Aug 10, 2018 19:03:30   #
Shootist Loc: Wyoming
 
That day it was all hand held. (I am getting too old for that!)
joe p wrote:
You didn’t mention the support system that you’re using. What tripod and head are using for that lens. Support is very important with Long telephoto lenses.

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Aug 10, 2018 19:05:53   #
Shootist Loc: Wyoming
 
Like many painful things, you will know it when you get it! It is short for Gear Acquisition Syndrome. To my knowledge there are few cures for it.
foxfirerodandgun wrote:
OK...................In photography terms, what is a GAS attack?

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Aug 10, 2018 19:09:33   #
Shootist Loc: Wyoming
 
But...but...but I WANT that new lens! Thanks for the advice, I have been snatched from a nasty case of GAS from my friends on UHH.
HT wrote:
IMHO you still have a way to go with your current technique. Focus on your photography basics (your image under is exposed to begin with) and field craft (learn how to get birds close).

And when you do consider a change in your gear, make it a change worth doing. The lens your considering is an improvement on your current lens, true. But it’s not a magnitude better. I’d wager if you splashed out on that particular new lens now, nothing substantive will change with the quality of your images.

Have you considered for example a second hand prime, for example? Or camera support perhaps?

Gear versus technique is always a vexed discussion. The truth is, technique plus gear is virtuous circle. People who point to pros with a low end camera achieving better images than amateurs with the very best of gear frequently ignore the reality of the years of experience a gifted photographer has invested in. And no photographer, however gifted will ever get an even a barely acceptable BIF using a pinhole camera...photography is a system of systems, the photographers eye and personal gifts/experience together with the right gear.

May I humbly suggest you invest some of your hard earned on tutorials/training/gaining experience before worrying about a slightly better lens than the one you’re using now?


Kind Regards
IMHO you still have a way to go with your current ... (show quote)

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Aug 10, 2018 19:11:24   #
Shootist Loc: Wyoming
 
Don't be too hard on yourself. I suspect many of those warning against GAS learned from intimate experience.
foxfirerodandgun wrote:
THANK YOU! I occasionally get a case of both GAS & NAS. The latter seems to be in full bloom currently.

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Aug 10, 2018 19:13:11   #
Shootist Loc: Wyoming
 
Nice post, thanks.
Charles 46277 wrote:
The bluebird is exquisitely captured and this is better than the pictures in the handbooks people buy to spot birds with--that is a legit market. Just as pictures of people fall into many categories (medical illustrations, advertising, modeling, portraits, movies, sports, journalism, tourism--and there are different categories of portraits), so do pictures of animals. To be honest, in all my decades I never took a picture of a bird, and when I started coming here I was surprised how many do. I did not take pictures of cats, either, until I got one. My cat pictures fall either into traditional portrait styles, or into candid, existing light photography; I don't need long tele lenses or anything else special.

I don't think Adams photographed birds, either. Might we ask why?

Adams said (long ago) that it had been a very long time since the quality of photographs depended on the quality of lenses, and others here seem to agree in principle (as I do). But the types of photograph make different demands. I am not sure a proper portrait can be taken of a bird, because a first rate portrait reveals something of personality, character, or emotions. I think there is something tongue-in-cheek about formal portraits of dogs, cats, horses, because--well, they aren't really people, are they? If a bird does something newsworthy, like pulling the President's hair, that is one type of picture.

But I think digital photography has affected style and taste in photography. Overcooking can be a flaw, but it is also perhaps an essential feature of photography today that it look more like Oz than Kansas. That kept me away from digital for a long time. Now the public is getting used to it, or expects it. It is not merely a question of whether to look natural or real--that was always a question that was both relative and subjective. Much more color or much more resolution, or contrast, etc., may enhance some artistic efforts, and detract from others. But it was no long ago that some people put gauze over the lens, or Vaseline, for their artistic purposes. One even touched it up with sandpaper.

Some digital cameras let you shoot square format, which is a promising idea for many animals (such as birds)--good enough for Hasselblad and Rolleiflex. It changes the whole dynamic.
The bluebird is exquisitely captured and this is b... (show quote)

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Aug 10, 2018 19:17:08   #
Shootist Loc: Wyoming
 
Thanks for your perspective. I think a prime is in my future but not just yet. The last few days have shown me I can still squeeze more out of my current glass.(You folks at UHH have been a huge part of that)
ackhack wrote:
Equiment vs ability. My .02 cents. What I have found after shooting for a number of years wildlife and portraits is the quality of the glass. You take that for what its worth, but a 600 f4 will blow your pictures out of the water. A Prim lens is always better them a Zomm. we all cheat! We buy what we can afford. We want the excellent shot but are not willing to chock up 10k or more for that lens another option is the 400/ 2.8 ... either one with a 1.4 or even a 2 is still a great lens but it must be a canon or Nikon. So you are left with what can I do. I am with you! I am trying to figure the same out right now. My shoulders can no longer handle to weight of the big boys, so I shot with an iPhone and buy professional images. Unless you can justify to your self a 10 or 12 k lens. Good Shooting.
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Aug 10, 2018 19:17:54   #
Shootist Loc: Wyoming
 
Thanks for your kind comment.
sunsandwater wrote:
I would personally be very happy with this shot

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Aug 11, 2018 00:32:33   #
Shootist Loc: Wyoming
 
Hand held.
imagemeister wrote:


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Aug 11, 2018 12:04:27   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Shootist wrote:
Hand held.


mmmm, a large heavy lens, 600mm, 1/320, hand held, relatively close - very risky as to sharpness ! I am surprised it looks as good as it does .

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Aug 14, 2018 21:05:11   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
This may have been mentioned but under those conditions I would have set the shutter speed to 1/640 and auto iso. Looking at the image of the bluebird at full resolution the feathers at the the bottom seem to be blurred, so maybe some slight movement of the bird that wasn't frozen by the shutter speed. Of course sunlight would have been better, as would being closer to the bird. I have shot birds on fences nd wires at 60 to 75 ft. and haven't gotten anything sharper than yours, using a Nikon J1, FT-1 autofocus adapter, and 55-300 afs vr lens at 300mm = equiv focal lenght of 810mm. Also I shoot in burst mode and always pick the best shot to PP. At that focal length I haven't got any fine detail at 100% resolution at any farther than 25 ft. At that distance in daylight, handheld, at 1/640 and f5.6 and auto iso of iso-160 for the first shot and iso-125 for the second shot. I got good feather and beak and eye detail at 100% resolution, even with an inexpensive setup like the J1 with a 1" sensor, and the Nikon 55-300 zoom autofocus.
But luck has a lot to do with it. Of all my keepers I believe these were my best bird pics.


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Aug 14, 2018 21:57:15   #
davidb1879
 
Wonderful images, particularly the eye. Davidb1879

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