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Aug 2, 2018 18:47:59   #
DIRTY HARRY Loc: Hartland, Michigan
 
Okay, I give up. I'm sure you have lived through the attacks that you just described and have first hand experience as you described.. I am only a mortal man, Muse be very comforting to be SUPER MEN such as yourselves.. Love the way your type can defeat my ideas so you have to come after me personally... can I sleep peacefully tonight?

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Aug 2, 2018 18:50:21   #
DIRTY HARRY Loc: Hartland, Michigan
 
Ever look into the open jaws a a crock? An I don't mean the shoe. Don't think you can out run them either.


safeman wrote:
I don't care where you have been or how fearless you are consider this. The adult Griz is THE Apex Predator in his range, afraid of nothing including people. In no other place in the world I am aware of such a clear distinction. No I won't even entertain the argument that man is the ultimate Apex Predator. Of course he is but that has nothing to do with this discussion.

Number one: Grizzly Bears are NOT endangered within acceptable habitat. Number two: no sane person would want Griz wandering around Golden Gate Park in SF. Oh by the way they use to! Number three: In areas where Griz and people interact both people and bears die.

There would seem to be only two solutions the Griz/human interaction problem. One solution would to move human populations out of suitable Griz territory. In the case of Montana and Wyoming that would probably mean expanding the boundaries of Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks. The other option would be to limit the total Griz population in those parks to a sustainable level. So, I guess the question is who do we listen to? The fanatics on both sides? Save the bears vs. kill the bears. Both sides arguments are based on emotion! How about, instead, we listen to the professional game managers who base their decisions on education and long-term experience.
I don't care where you have been or how fearless y... (show quote)

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Aug 2, 2018 18:52:09   #
DIRTY HARRY Loc: Hartland, Michigan
 
Read the Article idiot.


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No he didn't.

Quit lying.

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Aug 2, 2018 19:27:40   #
DIRTY HARRY Loc: Hartland, Michigan
 
Below, is collected a list of 10 species that have been saved by the Act, but could be in danger because the Trump administration has changed the law.


Green sea turtles
A giant green turtle rests on a coral reef near the island of Sipadan in the Celebes Sea, November 7, 2005. Reuters
Green sea turtles are highly endangered, with less than 200,000 remaining globally. In the past five decades, green sea turtle populations have plummeted 90%, according to The National Wildlife Federation .

But thanks to critical ESA protections however, green sea turtles are being brought back from the brink of extinction. A 2017 study showed that more crucial green sea turtle populations are increasing , rather than declining.

But there's still a long way to go. Because of warming sea temperatures, a disproportionate number of sea turtles are being born female , which poses a long-term threat to the survival of their species. Without ESA protections, we may lose these charismatic creatures forever.


American alligators
REUTERS/David Mercado
Alligators are considered a threatened species by the US Fish and Wildlife Service, though there are still nearly 5 million individuals in the US.

Before they were placed on the list, alligators were heavily hunted for use in consumer products, like wallets and watch bands. Now, alligator hunting is strictly controlled via quotas, and the US Fish and Wildlife Service regulates trade in alligator-skin products.



Peregrine falcons
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Peregrine falcons died in mass numbers in the 1960s and 1970s as the pesticide DDT — which was consumed by their prey — built up in their system and poisoned them, according to The Nature Conservancy .

In 1975, only 324 nesting pairs of peregrine falcons remained in the wild, according to the US Fish and Wildlife Service .

But thanks to the ESA, along with bans on DDT and other pesticides in the 1970s, that number has since rebounded to between 2,000 and 3,000 pairs, according to the US Fish and Wildlife Service.

American peregrine falcons' recovery was so strong, in fact, that they were removed from the endangered species list almost 20 years ago. The species is now being monitored by scientists to evaluate any new threats.

Bald eagles
REUTERS/Chris Helgren
Like peregrine falcons, bald eagles were a victim of DDT and pesticide use in the mid-20th century.

By the 1960s, there were only around 500 nesting pairs in the lower 48 states, down from a high of an estimated 500,000 in the 17th century, according to Defenders of Wildlife .

Bald eagles, however, are another ESA success story: There are now a total of 70,000 across the US and Canada.



Manatees
Ryan Hagerty, USFWS
When manatees were first added to the endangered species list, there were just over a few hundred individuals remaining.

But in 2017 by the US Fish and Wildlife Service counted over 6,000 individuals — a huge increase.

Manatees were down-listed from endangered to threatened last year, thanks to that population rebound. While manatees are still afforded protection by the ESA — and the population is still rebounding — the US Fish and Wildlife Service cautioned that manatees were in danger of becoming extinct if their ESA protections were fully removed.


Grizzly bears
A grizzly bear roams through the Hayden Valley in Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming, May 18, 2014. REUTERS/Jim Urquhart
Grizzly bears were listed as a threatened species in 1975, when just between 800 and 1,000 were thought to remain in the lower 48 states, according to CNN .

While grizzlies are still considered a threatened species, their numbers have made an impressive rebound — that population is now around 1,800, and another approximately 30,000 reside in Alaska, according to The National Wildlife Federation .

The population of grizzlies in Yellowstone National Park has recovered to the point where it was removed from the list last year , though some environmental groups said the removal was hasty and not grounded in science.



Gray wolves
A pair of gray wolves at a refuge in New Jersey Reuters
Gray wolves once were found across the US on both coasts. But as America's population grew, wolves came into contact with farmers, ranchers, and hunters, who killed the wolves for their fur and to protect livestock.

Since being listed as endangered, gray wolf populations have rebounded. Wolves now number around 3,765 in the Great Lakes region and around 1,700 in the Rocky Mountains, according to the US Fish and Wildlife Service . But there are still no wild populations on the East Coast. (The few wolves that remain live in refuges.)

In Alaska, the US Fish and Wildlife Service estimates there are between 7,700 and 11,000 wolves. Gray wolves aren't protected under the ESA in Alaska, since scientists found the population there wasn't threatened enough there to be listed.


Sage grouse
REUTERS/Bob Wick/BLM/Handout
Sage grouse are a little bit larger than domestic chickens and inhabit the scrubby steppe across the American west. The bird was once a flashpoint in the fight to save disappearing species.

Though the sage grouse was never listed as endangered, the ESA's existence still wound up protecting the species. When scientists and environmentalists threatened to list the bird through the Act, that possibility brought Wyoming's energy industry to the negotiating table.

A compromise between environmentalists and the energy industry was reached in 2015: In exchange for an industry promise not to drill on valuable sage grouse habitat, environmental groups agreed not to add the species to the ESA's list, according to National Geographic .

But if Zinke's changes go through, the ESA may no longer offer the same negotiating power.



Southern sea otters
Sea otters float on their backs in the waters of Prince William Sound near the town of Valdez, Alaska, August 9, 2008. REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
Southern sea otters reside off the coast of central and southern California. These cute critters are listed as a threatened species and only around 2,800 remain in the wild.

During the 17th century, sea otters became a staple of the global fur trade. By 1914, there were only around 50 remaining in the wild. After the species was listed on the ESA, sea otters made a remarkable recovery.

By 2010, the population of southern sea otters had increased 5,500%, according to The Endangered Species Coalition .


Humpback whales
Reed Saxon/AP
Humpback whales are a rare modern ecological success story. In the 1960s, before they were protected, the population in the north Pacific fell from a high of 125,000 individuals to just over 1,000, according to CNN .

But between 1987 and 2007, the humpback population increased 9%, thanks to protections in the Endangered Species Act.

Off US coasts, humpback whales currently number between 10,000-13,500 in the western north Atlantic region, and between 19,000-23,000 in the north Pacific region, according to the International Whaling Commission .

While the ESA has successfully protected humpbacks and a number of other important species, there are countless others still on the brink of extinction . A gutted ESA could put even these rare success stories at risk of being reversed forever.

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Aug 2, 2018 20:19:58   #
neillaubenthal
 
There ya go using common sense again…but Dirty Harry knows better. Unless we move all people out of grizzly bear range and close the parks there…there will be people/bear interactions and that won't fare well for either species. Professional wildlife management people have concluded that the bear herd needs some thinning…so let's let the professionals figure those things out. If you don't want to hunt them…don't get a license.

Leftists are convinced that they know better than the rest of us…and think we should just sit down, shut up, and let them do what's clearly better for all…except typically they want to spend somebody else's money to do it.

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Aug 2, 2018 20:42:24   #
DIRTY HARRY Loc: Hartland, Michigan
 
Who was there first? And I love the way you guys ALWAYS``resort to name calling


17 Animals That Became Extinct In Our Lifetime
As we bid farewell to Lonesome George, the last of his Galapagos tortoise subspecies, remember that plenty of other species have been declared extinct pretty recently.

Posted on June 25, 2012, at 5:14 p.m.
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1. Pinta Island Tortoise, June 24, 2012
The last of his kind, Lonesome George died this weekend in his pen at a research facility. His exact age isn&#x27;t known, but he was estimated to be over 100.
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The last of his kind, Lonesome George died this weekend in his pen at a research facility. His exact age isn't known, but he was estimated to be over 100.

2. Baiji or Yangtze River Dolphin, 2006
Declared extinct in 2006, a video of what appeared to be a baiji dolphin was taken in 2007. The species is still considered &quot;functionally extinct&quot;, meaning that if there is only one of a few old creatures alive, no new ones will be born.
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Declared extinct in 2006, a video of what appeared to be a baiji dolphin was taken in 2007. The species is still considered "functionally extinct", meaning that if there is only one of a few old creatures alive, no new ones will be born.

3. Western Black Rhinoceros, 2011
A subspecies of the black rhino that lived mainly in Cameroon, the western black rhino was a victim of rampant poaching, even after protections were issued in the 1930s. Scientists searched for any signs in 2006 and came up empty, and it was offically declared extinct in 2011. The other 3 remaining subspecies of black rhinos are also critically endangered.
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A subspecies of the black rhino that lived mainly in Cameroon, the western black rhino was a victim of rampant poaching, even after protections were issued in the 1930s. Scientists searched for any signs in 2006 and came up empty, and it was offically declared extinct in 2011. The other 3 remaining subspecies of black rhinos are also critically endangered.

4. Caribbean Monk Seal, 2008
Although the last one seen alive was in 1952, it wasn&#x27;t until 2008 that the caribbean monk seal was finally declared extinct. Christopher Columbus recorded killing a few of these seals when he arrived in the Caribbean, and they were hunted extensively during the in the 1700s and 1800s for their blubber, which was used as oil for lamps and machinery. According to the notes from a zookeeper at the New York Aquarium, which had a few of these seals in the early 1900s, these cheeky seals had a habit of spraying water from their mouths at visitors who leaned in too close over the railing. The extinction of seal also mean the extinction of the Caribbean Monk Seal Nasal Mite, a gross insect that only lived inside the nose of this species of seal.
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Although the last one seen alive was in 1952, it wasn't until 2008 that the caribbean monk seal was finally declared extinct. Christopher Columbus recorded killing a few of these seals when he arrived in the Caribbean, and they were hunted extensively during the in the 1700s and 1800s for their blubber, which was used as oil for lamps and machinery.

According to the notes from a zookeeper at the New York Aquarium, which had a few of these seals in the early 1900s, these cheeky seals had a habit of spraying water from their mouths at visitors who leaned in too close over the railing.

The extinction of seal also mean the extinction of the Caribbean Monk Seal Nasal Mite, a gross insect that only lived inside the nose of this species of seal.

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5. Canarian Oystercatcher, 1994
Photo of an African black oystercatcher, which is nearly visually identical.These shorebirds lived on the Canary Islands off the coast of west Africa, and died out due to depletion of its shellfish food source due to commercial fishing. It&#x27;s unclear exactly when the last birds died, local lighthouse keepers and fishermen said they hadn&#x27;t seen it by 1940, but reports of sightings happened through the &#x27;80s. By 1994, it was officially declared extinct. Only 4 specimen of stuffed birds exist in museums today.
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Photo of an African black oystercatcher, which is nearly visually identical.

These shorebirds lived on the Canary Islands off the coast of west Africa, and died out due to depletion of its shellfish food source due to commercial fishing. It's unclear exactly when the last birds died, local lighthouse keepers and fishermen said they hadn't seen it by 1940, but reports of sightings happened through the '80s. By 1994, it was officially declared extinct. Only 4 specimen of stuffed birds exist in museums today.

6. Ivory-billed Woodpecker, 1994
After habit loss of the swamps of the southern U.S., the last difinitive sighting was in the 1940s. Since then, there&#x27;s been multiple reports of sightings, and a 2002 audio recording of the distinct sound it makes when pecking a tree sparked a flood of scientists and birders to come search for it. Despite some promising leads and tantalizing clues, the bird still remains officially extinct.
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After habit loss of the swamps of the southern U.S., the last difinitive sighting was in the 1940s. Since then, there's been multiple reports of sightings, and a 2002 audio recording of the distinct sound it makes when pecking a tree sparked a flood of scientists and birders to come search for it. Despite some promising leads and tantalizing clues, the bird still remains officially extinct.

7. Mariana Mallard, 2004
Living only on three small Pacific islands, including Guam, habitat loss from draining marshes for agriculture and damage to the islands during World War II was the main reason for this duck&#x27;s extinction. The last pair of ducks were spotted in the wild in 1979, and the last known pair in captivity died at Sea World in San Diego in 1981.
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Living only on three small Pacific islands, including Guam, habitat loss from draining marshes for agriculture and damage to the islands during World War II was the main reason for this duck's extinction. The last pair of ducks were spotted in the wild in 1979, and the last known pair in captivity died at Sea World in San Diego in 1981.

8. Dusky Seaside Sparrow, 1987
A native of the east coast of Florida, this species rapidly died out from DDT pesticide spaying and its habitat being taken over for use by NASA for the Kennedy Space Center. The last know bird died in 1987, and was officially declared extinct in 1990.
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A native of the east coast of Florida, this species rapidly died out from DDT pesticide spaying and its habitat being taken over for use by NASA for the Kennedy Space Center. The last know bird died in 1987, and was officially declared extinct in 1990.

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9. Mexican Grizzly Bear, 1964
Think grizzlies only lived in cold places? The Mexican grizzly, like the grizzly that lives in the norther U.S. and Canada, are both subspecies of the brown bear. The Mexican subspecies was hunted to extinction by ranchers because the bears would kill their livestock. Only 30 were left by 1960, but by 1964 it was considered extinct.
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Think grizzlies only lived in cold places? The Mexican grizzly, like the grizzly that lives in the norther U.S. and Canada, are both subspecies of the brown bear. The Mexican subspecies was hunted to extinction by ranchers because the bears would kill their livestock. Only 30 were left by 1960, but by 1964 it was considered extinct.

10. Javan Tiger, 1994
Loss of habitat due to farming was the main killer for this distinct subspecies of tiger that lived on the Indonesian island of Java. The last area where they lived was in the highest mountain of Java. A tiger was killed there in 1984, but by 1993 scientists couldn&#x27;t find any evidence of tigers still living there.
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Loss of habitat due to farming was the main killer for this distinct subspecies of tiger that lived on the Indonesian island of Java. The last area where they lived was in the highest mountain of Java. A tiger was killed there in 1984, but by 1993 scientists couldn't find any evidence of tigers still living there.

11. Japanese Sea Lion, 1974
Commercial hunting for these along with habitat loss due to WWII did these seal lions in. There were a few sightings in the &#x27;60s, and a baby was caught in 1974. In 2007, the government of South Korea announced a plan to introduce the closely related California sea lions into areas the Japanese sea lion lived.
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Commercial hunting for these along with habitat loss due to WWII did these seal lions in. There were a few sightings in the '60s, and a baby was caught in 1974. In 2007, the government of South Korea announced a plan to introduce the closely related California sea lions into areas the Japanese sea lion lived.

12. Pyrenean Ibex, 2000
The last of this subspecies of Spanis ibex died in the wild in 2000 when a tree fell on her. Scientist had taken samples of the last ibex&#x27;s DNA in 1999, and in 2009 scientist had mixed the DNA with domestic goat eggs to create a clone. However, the cloned baby ibex died shortly after birth due to lung defects.
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The last of this subspecies of Spanis ibex died in the wild in 2000 when a tree fell on her. Scientist had taken samples of the last ibex's DNA in 1999, and in 2009 scientist had mixed the DNA with domestic goat eggs to create a clone. However, the cloned baby ibex died shortly after birth due to lung defects.

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13. Golden Toad, 1989
Scientists aren&#x27;t totally sure what led to this Costa Rican toad&#x27;s decline, but the best theory is that the El Nino weather pattern along with global warming and airborne pollution dried up pools and ponds the toad lived in.
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Scientists aren't totally sure what led to this Costa Rican toad's decline, but the best theory is that the El Nino weather pattern along with global warming and airborne pollution dried up pools and ponds the toad lived in.

14. Conondale Gastric-brooding Frog, 1983
This Australian frog swallowed her eggs after they&#x27;re fertilized, eventually &quot;birthing&quot; fully developed frogs out of her mouth. The last one its kind died in captivity in a laboratory in 1983. Since the mother is able to shut off her stomach acid while carrying her young in her stomach, scientists had hoped to learn something about how to cure human ulcers from the frogs.
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This Australian frog swallowed her eggs after they're fertilized, eventually "birthing" fully developed frogs out of her mouth. The last one its kind died in captivity in a laboratory in 1983. Since the mother is able to shut off her stomach acid while carrying her young in her stomach, scientists had hoped to learn something about how to cure human ulcers from the frogs.

15. Alaotra Grebe, 2010
This small diving duck lived in primarily in one lake in Madagascar until habitat loss and predation by carnivorous non-native fish species killed it off.
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This small diving duck lived in primarily in one lake in Madagascar until habitat loss and predation by carnivorous non-native fish species killed it off.

16. Poʻouli or Black-faced Honeycreeper, 2004
Non-native species, particularly pigs, cats, and rats, have wreaked havoc on Hawaii&#x27;s ecosystem over the last few centuries, and most likely contributed to the decline of this unique bird. After an unsuccessful effort to get the last few remaining birds to breed, the last bird died in 2004. Technically, it&#x27;s still listed as &quot;critically endangered&quot;, but none birds have turned up in the wild after extensive searching for the last few years.
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Non-native species, particularly pigs, cats, and rats, have wreaked havoc on Hawaii's ecosystem over the last few centuries, and most likely contributed to the decline of this unique bird. After an unsuccessful effort to get the last few remaining birds to breed, the last bird died in 2004. Technically, it's still listed as "critically endangered", but none birds have turned up in the wild after extensive searching for the last few years.

17. Saint Helena Earwig, 1967
Although it hasn&#x27;t officially been classified as extinct, this gross bug from the island of St. Helena in the south Atlantic hasn&#x27;t been seen alive since 1967, and searches in &#x27;88, &#x27;93&#x27; and &#x27;03 turned up empty. This one I&#x27;m just hoping becomes extinct. Yuck.
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Although it hasn't officially been classified as extinct, this gross bug from the island of St. Helena in the south Atlantic hasn't been seen alive since 1967, and searches in '88, '93' and '03 turned up empty. This one I'm just hoping becomes extinct. Yuck.

Endangered Species

Once They’re Gone, There’s No Bringing Them Back

The Carolina Parakeet, the Golden Toad, the West African Black Rhino, and so many others… whether they’re long-gone, recently gone, or soon-to-be gone, they’re a loss to the world. No one will ever get to enjoy seeing these magnificent animals. They won’t play the role in nature that they were destined to have.
Currently, more than 3,000 species of animals are considered endangered. In the United States, the Endangered Species Act was passed in 1973 to help with conservation efforts, but there are now three times as many endangered species as there were just ten years ago.

According to the International Union for Conservation of Nature, we are now losing animal species at more than 1,000 times the “normal” rate. Here are the top endangered animals in the world… some of whom may sadly be next:
Sumatran Elephant


Leatherback Turtle


Pangolin


Western Lowland Gorilla



Vaquita


Orangutan


Saola


Who Is Next? Hopefully you.

Also critically endangered: Amur Leopard, Bornean Orangutan, Cross River Gorilla, Eastern Lowland Gorilla, Hawksbill Turtle, Javan Rhino, Mountain Gorilla, South China Tiger, Sumatran Orangutan, Sumatr
We can't all be as smart as you ... sorry.

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Aug 2, 2018 20:59:28   #
HardwareGuy
 
DIRTY HARRY wrote:
Not for the Bears. They were on the Endangered Species list and Comrade Trump, and his fellow travelers, took them off.You don't protect and save a species by killing them.



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Aug 2, 2018 23:50:19   #
safeman
 
Wow, sure can't argue with that list. Extinctions happen sometimes when a species can no longer compete with invading species, sometimes when habitat is destroyed, sometimes when climate changes, sometimes for no obvious reason. Is man instrumental in some of these extinctions? Absolutely. I have no argument with that.

Oh by the way I don't need anybody who spent some time in South Florida telling ME how dangerous it is/was. I spent three years living in a tent two miles from the entrence to Everglades National Park. When it rained Alligators regularly swam through our missle site. Rattlesnakes slithered up the sloped dirt radar mounds to escape the flood waters. Dangerous? Bulls..t! Only if you didn't pay attention. Anyone who has faced at close range an alligator with his mouth open or has been chased by one has done something seriously wrong to get himself it that situation. By the way American Crocodiles are salt water animals and not found along Alligator Alley. Miami was much more dangerous than the Everglades ever were.

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Aug 3, 2018 02:15:36   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
I have no interest and admiration for hunting, I find it an ugly business in general, but I find I am ok with regulated hunting of formerly protected species. With regulation they will be in no danger of extinction and there are significant benefits that should be weighed.
I do not know the details of this case, but hunting licenses come with fees, and those fees go directly to protection of our natural areas. Hunting is an important source of revenue for protecting our wild spaces and that is what I care about the most.

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