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Jul 28, 2018 12:23:02   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
This is the first I've ever heard that erasing would "damage" a digital camera.... but I've only used a few dozen different models and taken a few million digital images in the past 20 years.

That said, I do very little actual "erasing"... If I take a shot of my toes accidentally, I might erase it from the camera if I have time. Or sometimes when I'm shooting fast and furious, replay an image to see if a caught a fleeting moment but find I missed it, I might delete a bad image in disgust.

Most of the time I leave the vast majority of my images on the card until I download it later... Even then I don't erase it or "move" it. I "copy" it instead, leaving the original on the card just in case, until I've checked the copied images and further backed them up.

But even then I don't erase the images from the card. Only later when I swap it into the camera, I'll format it (quick format, not a low level format). In-camera formatting is simply one of my steps whenever I swap cards (old images are still on there). In camera formatting is as good as erasing, although it doesn't actually erase much. It simply marks the data on the card as "okay to overwrite" with new images.

Because I use a number of memory cards (modest size to hold between 250 and 500 images, usually... though I have a few larger ones that can accommodate 1000 RAW files), and because often when I shoot events i take several thousand image, I frequently change cards and format them in-camera in this manner. Knock on wood, I've never had a problem such as the one described.... "locking up" the camera. But, again, I also don't "erase" very much, per se. I format in-camera instead.

With probably 100 or more different memory cards over the years, I've had exactly two "bad" ones. One was dead and unusable right out of the package, brand new. Wouldn't format and I got a message it was unreadable. The other card appeared to die after the very first use. We'd filled it and downloaded some of the files from it okay... but when we went to download the rest it was inaccessible.

The only other card-related "problems" were my own fault. Once I opened the door and removed a card too quickly, while the camera was still writing to it. That caused corruption throughout the card. We were able to save about 2/3 of the images using recovery software. Formatted the card in-computer (using the recovery software), then again in camera before shooting with it.... no further problems and the card continued to work fine. (Note: it was an older camera model that was slow writing data.... even with it this was the only time I've pulled a card out "too quickly".)

Another time I reconfigured my USB connections to add something, re-routing my memory card reader through a USB hub. I started getting some corrupt images during downloads. As soon as I wised up and re-connected the card reader, problem solved. (No images lost since I was "copying", instead of "moving" the images.)

I wonder if the original poster's problem is unique to that particular brand or even model of camera?

If it happened to me, I'd "reboot" the camera and try to reset everything to the defaults, then try it with a different memory card. If that didn't work, I'd have a tech look at the memory card slot to see if there was an obstruction, oxidization or loose wire or something (SD card slots are pretty hard to damage.... Compact Flash card slots have 40 little pins that are easily bent and broken if a card is forced into them.)

Different cameras "reboot" differently (if it's even possible... some I know it's not). it's a matter of removing the batteries and letting the camera sit (or draining the power by "tripping the shutter" a couple times without batteries.. though the shutter won't actually trip and no image will be recorded). If the camera has a user-replaceable time/date battery, that needs to be removed along with the main rechargeable battery.

Many newer models now have the time/date battery inside and inaccessible to users... so probably can't be rebooted in this manner. But most have some form of "reset" in the firmware (or in some cases done with some external button combination).

If possible, re-installing or updating the firmware also might help or be an alternative to "rebooting". However, this usually requires a freshly formatted memory card in the camera, even when the firmware update is being done from a computer via a USB cable.

I'm just guessing... but to me this sounds less like a hardware problem and more like a software (firmware) glitch. An exception would be a fault in the memory card slot. With most types of memory, that's unlikely to cause further problems on the main board fo the camera (it's rare, but I have seen a bent pin on a CF card slot cause a short that fried the innards of a camera... you have to bend particular pins in certain ways to have that happen... this can't happen with SD and other types of memory).

If none of the above helped solve the problem, I'd be talking to the techs at the manufacturer's service dept. If there's a known-issue, they'd be the most likely ones to know about it!

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Jul 28, 2018 12:24:04   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Streets wrote:
A few days ago I powered up my Sony A57 and pressed the shutter button: What I got in the viewfinder was the message :Card locked". Well I'll just unlock the card with the little slider on the side. Uh oh, the slider is in the proper position. After some feeble attempts to correct the problem, I called a fine camera repair shop in Richardson, TX. and explained the situation. He told me that erasing data from the card while it's in the camera will choke up a device on the main camera circuit board and the fore-mentioned message will occur and tell you that you will need to get new guts for your camera. The gentleman also said that most cameras will eventually have this problem if you erase the card in camera. To avoid this from happening, one must format the card to erase data. Well, I always did want a 24 MP camera and what better reason could I have for getting one.
A few days ago I powered up my Sony A57 and presse... (show quote)


That sounds like pure BS to me. While it is true that erasing images in the camera USED TO have a high potential of card corruption, about a decade ago, it is unlikely that would occur on a modern body. Modern is anything after about 2010.

Try using a different memory card AFTER removing the battery for an hour or so. If that model has a clock back-up battery (usually a button cell or coin-shaped cell of some sort), remove it for the hour as well.

Another possibility is that the camera firmware is corrupt. Check with Sony's website to see whether you can get a newer version of the camera's firmware. If one is available, CAREFULLY follow the instructions for download, unpacking, and transfer from your computer to the camera. Be sure the battery is fully charged before doing the update. Firmware updates can solve a multitude of problems!

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Jul 28, 2018 12:52:04   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
JFleming wrote:
The smartest blubs are not always the brightest ones.... LOL


You made my day! I almost spit out my coffee when I read your post, blub

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Jul 28, 2018 12:56:17   #
Toby
 
Streets wrote:
A few days ago I powered up my Sony A57 and pressed the shutter button: What I got in the viewfinder was the message :Card locked". Well I'll just unlock the card with the little slider on the side. Uh oh, the slider is in the proper position. After some feeble attempts to correct the problem, I called a fine camera repair shop in Richardson, TX. and explained the situation. He told me that erasing data from the card while it's in the camera will choke up a device on the main camera circuit board and the fore-mentioned message will occur and tell you that you will need to get new guts for your camera. The gentleman also said that most cameras will eventually have this problem if you erase the card in camera. To avoid this from happening, one must format the card to erase data. Well, I always did want a 24 MP camera and what better reason could I have for getting one.
A few days ago I powered up my Sony A57 and presse... (show quote)


I have never experienced or heard of such a thing. I want to say it's BS but everyday I learn something new. Please keep us posted on how this turns out

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Jul 28, 2018 13:06:28   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
Bfree2 wrote:
Interesting topic. Having that I recently purchased an A6000, I find myself following any discussion that mentions Sony.
That, and that I did find that ‘Streets’ avatar caught my attention, where that pose reminded me of the character ‘Alan Harper of Two and a Half Men’, then the rant of your credentials had me in stitches. Now not being an Electrical Engineer, or an hardware tech, but having spent the past 40 years in a computer related industry where my field required photography. I do tend to accept the reality that “anything can happen”. I have found more often than not that moisture, dust, and just rough use can mess these electronic devises quite easily. Yeah, I would call Sony. When I had ‘burned through’ my favorite bridge a Fugi SL1000 I never gave any thought to calling anyone for repairs, just tossed it and moved. However, now that I am retired, and realized that a disposable attitude is expensive I will now follow posts like these.
Interesting topic. Having that I recently purchase... (show quote)


Well, this a very interesting and entertaining thread! I have a Sony a6000 also and have never had the problem the OP describes; but, then, I rarely delete images in-camera.

In all seriousness, it sounds like the OP got some good answers; but, I like the OP’s solution best. Just buy that 24mp camera you want!!😊

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Jul 28, 2018 13:25:02   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
User ID wrote:
Rather than beating up the card latching thingy that way,
you could use contact cleaner spray. Acoarst, don't spray
into the camera ! Spray the contacts on a card, and then
do your in-out thing just 2 or 3 times. Spray your battery
contacts as well ... like wise not into the camera :-)

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I have found some cleaning sprays dissolve plastic.

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Jul 28, 2018 13:45:31   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
amfoto1 wrote:
This is the first I've ever heard that erasing would "damage" a digital camera.... but I've only used a few dozen different models and taken a few million digital images in the past 20 years.

That said, I do very little actual "erasing"... If I take a shot of my toes accidentally, I might erase it from the camera if I have time. Or sometimes when I'm shooting fast and furious, replay an image to see if a caught a fleeting moment but find I missed it, I might delete a bad image in disgust.

Most of the time I leave the vast majority of my images on the card until I download it later... Even then I don't erase it or "move" it. I "copy" it instead, leaving the original on the card just in case, until I've checked the copied images and further backed them up.

But even then I don't erase the images from the card. Only later when I swap it into the camera, I'll format it (quick format, not a low level format). In-camera formatting is simply one of my steps whenever I swap cards (old images are still on there). In camera formatting is as good as erasing, although it doesn't actually erase much. It simply marks the data on the card as "okay to overwrite" with new images.

Because I use a number of memory cards (modest size to hold between 250 and 500 images, usually... though I have a few larger ones that can accommodate 1000 RAW files), and because often when I shoot events i take several thousand image, I frequently change cards and format them in-camera in this manner. Knock on wood, I've never had a problem such as the one described.... "locking up" the camera. But, again, I also don't "erase" very much, per se. I format in-camera instead.

With probably 100 or more different memory cards over the years, I've had exactly two "bad" ones. One was dead and unusable right out of the package, brand new. Wouldn't format and I got a message it was unreadable. The other card appeared to die after the very first use. We'd filled it and downloaded some of the files from it okay... but when we went to download the rest it was inaccessible.

The only other card-related "problems" were my own fault. Once I opened the door and removed a card too quickly, while the camera was still writing to it. That caused corruption throughout the card. We were able to save about 2/3 of the images using recovery software. Formatted the card in-computer (using the recovery software), then again in camera before shooting with it.... no further problems and the card continued to work fine. (Note: it was an older camera model that was slow writing data.... even with it this was the only time I've pulled a card out "too quickly".)

Another time I reconfigured my USB connections to add something, re-routing my memory card reader through a USB hub. I started getting some corrupt images during downloads. As soon as I wised up and re-connected the card reader, problem solved. (No images lost since I was "copying", instead of "moving" the images.)

I wonder if the original poster's problem is unique to that particular brand or even model of camera?

If it happened to me, I'd "reboot" the camera and try to reset everything to the defaults, then try it with a different memory card. If that didn't work, I'd have a tech look at the memory card slot to see if there was an obstruction, oxidization or loose wire or something (SD card slots are pretty hard to damage.... Compact Flash card slots have 40 little pins that are easily bent and broken if a card is forced into them.)

Different cameras "reboot" differently (if it's even possible... some I know it's not). it's a matter of removing the batteries and letting the camera sit (or draining the power by "tripping the shutter" a couple times without batteries.. though the shutter won't actually trip and no image will be recorded). If the camera has a user-replaceable time/date battery, that needs to be removed along with the main rechargeable battery.

Many newer models now have the time/date battery inside and inaccessible to users... so probably can't be rebooted in this manner. But most have some form of "reset" in the firmware (or in some cases done with some external button combination).

If possible, re-installing or updating the firmware also might help or be an alternative to "rebooting". However, this usually requires a freshly formatted memory card in the camera, even when the firmware update is being done from a computer via a USB cable.

I'm just guessing... but to me this sounds less like a hardware problem and more like a software (firmware) glitch. An exception would be a fault in the memory card slot. With most types of memory, that's unlikely to cause further problems on the main board fo the camera (it's rare, but I have seen a bent pin on a CF card slot cause a short that fried the innards of a camera... you have to bend particular pins in certain ways to have that happen... this can't happen with SD and other types of memory).

If none of the above helped solve the problem, I'd be talking to the techs at the manufacturer's service dept. If there's a known-issue, they'd be the most likely ones to know about it!
This is the first I've ever heard that erasing wou... (show quote)


That was all very interesting, and helpful!

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Jul 28, 2018 14:43:30   #
zzzynick Loc: Colorado
 
Sony builds planned obsolesce, into everything they make.
They build it to break. Look at all the dead play stations.
I wouldn't buy anything from Sony.

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Jul 28, 2018 14:48:07   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
zzzynick wrote:
Sony builds planned obsolesce, into everything they make.
They build it to break. Look at all the dead play stations.
I wouldn't buy anything from Sony.







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Jul 28, 2018 14:54:37   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
zzzynick wrote:
Sony builds planned obsolesce, into everything they make.
They build it to break. Look at all the dead play stations.
I wouldn't buy anything from Sony.


I dunno, I’ve had half a dozen Sony TVs, some for ~20 years, and never had a failure.

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Jul 28, 2018 14:57:23   #
BebuLamar
 
TriX wrote:
I dunno, I’ve had half a dozen Sony TVs, some for ~20 years, and never had a failure.


My Sony TV's have the same problem, doesn't want to power on.

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Jul 28, 2018 15:02:45   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
Streets wrote:
A few days ago I powered up my Sony A57 and pressed the shutter button: What I got in the viewfinder was the message :Card locked". Well I'll just unlock the card with the little slider on the side. Uh oh, the slider is in the proper position. After some feeble attempts to correct the problem, I called a fine camera repair shop in Richardson, TX. and explained the situation. He told me that erasing data from the card while it's in the camera will choke up a device on the main camera circuit board and the fore-mentioned message will occur and tell you that you will need to get new guts for your camera. The gentleman also said that most cameras will eventually have this problem if you erase the card in camera. To avoid this from happening, one must format the card to erase data. Well, I always did want a 24 MP camera and what better reason could I have for getting one.
A few days ago I powered up my Sony A57 and presse... (show quote)


As for getting new guts for a camera i doubt that was the problem. It was probably a card problem. I reformat in camera always. Never in computer since I do not know which format the camera wants on the card. You do not say if you tried a new card in the camera. You also do not say if you were trying a card that was too large a memory for your older camera. I had a small pocket 12 mpx camera that will not take a card larger than it was created to accept. If I took a card the right size formatted by the computer the camera saw as you described and told me it was a bad card. Put in a new card the same size and formatted in that 12 mpx camera and it was ok with it.

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Jul 28, 2018 15:12:54   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
TriX wrote:
I dunno, I’ve had half a dozen Sony TVs, some for ~20 years, and never had a failure.


I bought a Sony TV in 1982. I gave it away in 2009. It still worked, but needed a digital adapter, and I didn't want to bother.

I never had any trouble with it.

I still have a small portable Sony reel-to-reel tape recorder that works fine.

But PlayStations are another matter. We have a PS2 that died an early death.

It is important to note that Sony's camera division is an evolution of Konica Minolta, which was a merger of Konica and Minolta.

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Jul 28, 2018 15:39:57   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
zzzynick wrote:
Sony builds planned obsolesce, into everything they make.
They build it to break. Look at all the dead play stations.
I wouldn't buy anything from Sony.

My now adult son still has his PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 all in perfect working condition. My few other Sony products, some well over 10 years old, are in perfect working order. While I'm not a fan of Sony cameras, you post is a very oversimplified and inaccurate over the top rant.

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Jul 28, 2018 16:04:29   #
OviedoPhotos
 
This is BS. Since I went digital in 2004 I've always reformatted the card in camera. When I'm done taking pics I place the card into my computer, a MAC btw, copy the card to the HD, and then reformat in the camera. I've had a couple of cards go bad but I usually keep a stock of cards anyway. Not once has a camera ever failed me, granted I usually get a new one every 4 years.

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