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Jul 31, 2018 01:09:15   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Cykdelic wrote:
Wrong. Take into account the breaking of las, the unmarked plane, the exchange of dollars for euros and Swiss francs...............really, dude, try and think.


There were no laws broken, as I demonstrated in a prior reply. Because you have misread the statute that you cite does not mean laws were broken. It only means that you have no idea what you are talking about as I pointed out before.

Unmarked planes are illegal? Cite the statute. Foreign currency exchange is illegal? Better tell Wall Street and every one of the currency exchange markets.

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Jul 31, 2018 01:13:17   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Cykdelic wrote:
Sorry, Walsh, but the laundering of money is NOTALWAYS ILLEGAL. In fact, any method used to hide the origin, source, or use of cash is a form of washing.

As an example, a political group can create local groups to accept money from, say, a D.C based donor, legally funnel that cash into a local group (say, the NEA affiliate in a suburb of Chicago), and that NEA affiliate can funnel it legally to an even more local PAC which backs a candidate for, say, the school board. All legal, but is defined as laundering.
Sorry, Walsh, but the laundering of money is NOTAL... (show quote)


That is exquisite bulls**t. What you describe in only "money laundering" in that fevered worm farm that you think is your mind.

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Jul 31, 2018 16:42:04   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Bazbo wrote:
Maybe you should actually read the statute before you rely on it in a post, especially when you need to stoop to juvenile name calling to support your obviously erroneous position.

To wit: the section you cite addresses selling stuff to Iran, not returning the Iranian money we kept when they bought armaments from us and we did not deliver the goods. No sale, no violation of of the law that you are s**tting yourself over. The actual sale was 35 years prior, before this section was enacted and we were still friends with the Shah.

And you are still wrong about your definition of currency washing. The source of the funds was never a secret. The funds were not part of an illegal enterprise made to look like it came from legitimate and legal sources. Please cite any authoritative source on international finance that defines washing the way you do.

To summarize--you are in no position to call anyone an i***t and any subject, but especially financial regulations and import/export laws.
Maybe you should actually read the statute before ... (show quote)


So sad.......little bazbo cannot think abstractly!

Of course cash counts as an asset!

No, they hid it at first until it was discovered..., the fcuking plane was unmarked and the t***sfer occurred when????

Yes, the money was washed. You can’t be that stupid or linear, can you??? The money was clearly placed, layered, and integrated. Since the source of the money was legal that is why I said the wash8ng was legal EXCEPT for the pesky federal rules on dealing with Iran.

The very concept of taking U.S. cash and surreptitiously turning it into other currencies and deliverying it in the dark of night in unmarked vehicles to a recipient (especially in exchange for hostages, which is a whole other discussion) is by definition a washing of the dollars.

You can’t really be that stupid so I will assume you’re just being deliberately obtuse.

Oh, yes. I’m quite experienced on financial regulations, taxes, cash management, and import/export laws.

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Jul 31, 2018 16:47:25   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Bazbo wrote:
There were no laws broken, as I demonstrated in a prior reply. Because you have misread the statute that you cite does not mean laws were broken. It only means that you have no idea what you are talking about as I pointed out before.

Unmarked planes are illegal? Cite the statute. Foreign currency exchange is illegal? Better tell Wall Street and every one of the currency exchange markets.



I’ve misread nothing, though you have. Your ignorance is palpable as you know damn well I never said currency exchange was generically illegal, but I’ll tell you what.......how about YOU try sneaking 50,000 in U.S. dollars across the border of, say, Russia, or the U.S., or Mexico, or wherever the fcuk, get caught, and tell us all what happens to you, okay??

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Jul 31, 2018 16:47:45   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Bazbo wrote:
That is exquisite bulls**t. What you describe in only "money laundering" in that fevered worm farm that you think is your mind.



....and you’re stupid. The federal criminal law prohibits Americans from t***sferring things of value to Iran, period!

Here’s more.....

According to the Journal report, “Wooden pallets stacked with euros, Swiss francs and other currencies were flown into Iran on an unmarked cargo plane." Foreign currencies were used because t***sactions with Iran using U.S. dollars are illegal under American law. As Charles Krauthammer remarked, if a company was caught laundering money like this, the CEO would go to jail. Even worse, the massive cash t***sfer would be especially helpful in funding the clandestine activities of a state sponsor of terrorism. A cargo plane full of currency sounds like the opening scene in a great spy thriller. Except it's not. It's the Obama administration paying off a regime that has been kidnapping and k*****g Americans for all 37 years of its existence.“

“Administration spokesmen argue that the $400 million paid out was Tehran's money to begin with. But that's not true. The $400 million was a payment received from the shah of Iran for a weapons deal with Washington that was never consummated because he was toppled by the Islamic revolution in 1979. Thus Washington held the money. Later, American victims of Iranian terrorism won judgments against the Islamic Republic in U.S. courts, and the Clinton administration, as a Newsweek article reported in January, promised that the settlements would be paid out of the $400 million. But the Clinton White House never reimbursed the Treasury Department, nor did the Bush administration. The $400 million that Obama aides say belongs to Iran should have long ago been distributed to Iran's American victims and their families. Instead, it was U.S. taxpayers who compensated the victims of Iranian terror. And then we paid $400 million a second time, in January, to the Iranians themselves. The $1.3 billion of interest that the United States is supposed to have owed the Iranians is simply a fiction the Obama administration contrived to sweeten the pot, since the United States was under no legal obligation to pay Iran money that was no longer Iran's. Yes, it was ransom, billed to the U.S. taxpayer.”

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Jul 31, 2018 21:12:42   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Cykdelic wrote:
So sad.......little bazbo cannot think abstractly!

Of course cash counts as an asset!

No, they hid it at first until it was discovered..., the fcuking plane was unmarked and the t***sfer occurred when????

Yes, the money was washed. You can’t be that stupid or linear, can you??? The money was clearly placed, layered, and integrated. Since the source of the money was legal that is why I said the wash8ng was legal EXCEPT for the pesky federal rules on dealing with Iran.

The very concept of taking U.S. cash and surreptitiously turning it into other currencies and deliverying it in the dark of night in unmarked vehicles to a recipient (especially in exchange for hostages, which is a whole other discussion) is by definition a washing of the dollars.

You can’t really be that stupid so I will assume you’re just being deliberately obtuse.

Oh, yes. I’m quite experienced on financial regulations, taxes, cash management, and import/export laws.
So sad.......little bazbo cannot think abstractly!... (show quote)


I can't make you read the actual words of the statute so you just keep relying on what you think the statute says. And I think you should take all of your evidence and your knotted up undies to a Federal prosecutor and see how far that gets you.

The law is linear and has no room for your hyperventilated outrage. Again, take all of your evidence to Federal prosecutor and do let us know how long it takes you to be laughed out of the office. And make sure your presentation includes all of the name calling.

I never said that cash is not an asset. And since you cannot even comprehend a simple sentence in this brain fart forum, it is no surprise that you cannot read or understand an actual law. And since you cannot even define "money laundering" correctly (even though I and others here have tried to help you) I seriously doubt that you have any expertise or experience in the subject.

But keep sputtering in your impotent rage. I care not.

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Jul 31, 2018 21:51:27   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Cykdelic wrote:
....and you’re stupid. The federal criminal law prohibits Americans from t***sferring things of value to Iran, period!

Here’s more.....

According to the Journal report, “Wooden pallets stacked with euros, Swiss francs and other currencies were flown into Iran on an unmarked cargo plane." Foreign currencies were used because t***sactions with Iran using U.S. dollars are illegal under American law. As Charles Krauthammer remarked, if a company was caught laundering money like this, the CEO would go to jail. Even worse, the massive cash t***sfer would be especially helpful in funding the clandestine activities of a state sponsor of terrorism. A cargo plane full of currency sounds like the opening scene in a great spy thriller. Except it's not. It's the Obama administration paying off a regime that has been kidnapping and k*****g Americans for all 37 years of its existence.“

“Administration spokesmen argue that the $400 million paid out was Tehran's money to begin with. But that's not true. The $400 million was a payment received from the shah of Iran for a weapons deal with Washington that was never consummated because he was toppled by the Islamic revolution in 1979. Thus Washington held the money. Later, American victims of Iranian terrorism won judgments against the Islamic Republic in U.S. courts, and the Clinton administration, as a Newsweek article reported in January, promised that the settlements would be paid out of the $400 million. But the Clinton White House never reimbursed the Treasury Department, nor did the Bush administration. The $400 million that Obama aides say belongs to Iran should have long ago been distributed to Iran's American victims and their families. Instead, it was U.S. taxpayers who compensated the victims of Iranian terror. And then we paid $400 million a second time, in January, to the Iranians themselves. The $1.3 billion of interest that the United States is supposed to have owed the Iranians is simply a fiction the Obama administration contrived to sweeten the pot, since the United States was under no legal obligation to pay Iran money that was no longer Iran's. Yes, it was ransom, billed to the U.S. taxpayer.”
....and you’re stupid. The federal criminal law pr... (show quote)


"....and you’re stupid. The federal criminal law prohibits Americans from t***sferring things of value to Iran, period!" Cykadelic.

That didn't worry Lt Col North and Dutch. They did good arms business until they got caught.

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Jul 31, 2018 22:57:14   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Texcaster wrote:
"....and you’re stupid. The federal criminal law prohibits Americans from t***sferring things of value to Iran, period!" Cykadelic.

That didn't worry Lt Col North and Dutch. They did good arms business until they got caught.


And some actually believe a Lt Colonel in the basement of the white house pulled that off all by himself.

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Jul 31, 2018 23:04:40   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
thom w wrote:
And some actually believe a Lt Colonel in the basement of the white house pulled that off all by himself.


Dutch pleaded ignorant and stupid, something Nixon had too much p***e to do. Shudder, the p***e of Nixon, the malfeasance of Kissinger and the felony conviction of Agnew.

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Jul 31, 2018 23:07:34   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Cykdelic wrote:
I’ve misread nothing, though you have. Your ignorance is palpable as you know damn well I never said currency exchange was generically illegal, but I’ll tell you what.......how about YOU try sneaking 50,000 in U.S. dollars across the border of, say, Russia, or the U.S., or Mexico, or wherever the fcuk, get caught, and tell us all what happens to you, okay??


If you are smuggling it to the government, I have a hard time seeing the government getting upset over it.

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Jul 31, 2018 23:09:05   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Texcaster wrote:
Dutch pleaded ignorant and stupid, something Nixon had too much p***e to do. Shudder, the p***e of Nixon, the malfeasance of Kissinger and the felony conviction of Agnew.


Isn't that when "plausible deniability" became a household word?

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Aug 1, 2018 09:20:07   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Texcaster wrote:
"....and you’re stupid. The federal criminal law prohibits Americans from t***sferring things of value to Iran, period!" Cykadelic.

That didn't worry Lt Col North and Dutch. They did good arms business until they got caught.


Gosh! You’re so far away down there your decades behind the conversation! Do you think North and RR sold items to Iran? Is “down unda” that behind and backwards??

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Aug 1, 2018 09:20:40   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
thom w wrote:
If you are smuggling it to the government, I have a hard time seeing the government getting upset over it.



Then give it a try.

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Aug 1, 2018 09:24:14   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Bazbo wrote:
I can't make you read the actual words of the statute so you just keep relying on what you think the statute says. And I think you should take all of your evidence and your knotted up undies to a Federal prosecutor and see how far that gets you.

The law is linear and has no room for your hyperventilated outrage. Again, take all of your evidence to Federal prosecutor and do let us know how long it takes you to be laughed out of the office. And make sure your presentation includes all of the name calling.

I never said that cash is not an asset. And since you cannot even comprehend a simple sentence in this brain fart forum, it is no surprise that you cannot read or understand an actual law. And since you cannot even define "money laundering" correctly (even though I and others here have tried to help you) I seriously doubt that you have any expertise or experience in the subject.

But keep sputtering in your impotent rage. I care not.
I can't make you read the actual words of the stat... (show quote)


You really are amazingly ignorant.....keep wallowing!

Since you really can’t think in the abstract, let me simplify it for you in terms you MIGHT be able to understand and follow......I’ll use a situation that can take advantage of your intolerant hatred for the president to make the point:

Based on what we have heard on tv, the little conversation by Cohen on creating a company to fund with money to payoff the playboy model would ALSO be a case of legal money washing IF he funded it with cash. It ALSO would then be a case of using maneuvers to hide the origin of the cash, thus its washed.

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