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Jul 24, 2018 12:14:55   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
PaulR01 wrote:
Shot a rodeo weekend before last at 16,000 ISO. Cleared a little over 800 so far in print purchases. 16x20 largest print ordered so far. I love how non sports shooters interdict their selves into a conversion that they have no knowledge of.


Paul, I simply responded to the OP's request for comments. And, I maintain, I would not want a lens that required me to set the ISO to such a high number in order to use it.

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Jul 24, 2018 12:17:22   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
From using it and owning one and from my friends that own them. I think all those lab tests are bullshit anyway. They are skewed and unbelievable.

A friend and pro photographer Jeff Cable recommends the Canon 100-400 and he leaves his $12000 600mm lens home now when he shoots at the Olympics and Africa safari's.

Please feel free to look him up: http://www.jeffcable.com/

A statement from him: Canon 100-400 II

For all those times when I need to photograph something from a distance, I rely on the Canon 100-400mm II lens. This is the second revision of this lens and much much sharper than the first version. Unlike the first push/pull version, this new 100-400 is a twist zoom lens. I use this lens on a tripod at the back of almost every temple and church. I also use this lens for a majority of my sports and wildlife photography when I can not get close to my subject.

His Gear:

http://www.jeffcable.com/mygear
From using it and owning one and from my friends t... (show quote)


So he likes his 100-400mm better than his 600mm, what does this have to do with the subject at hand????

Rejecting controlled lab tests is the favorite way fanboys like to justify their own biased opinions. Even Canon quotes DXO Marks lab tests when those tests FAVOR a Canon product.

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Jul 24, 2018 12:25:18   #
brooklyn-camera I Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
I have been shooting with a L glass 70-200 f/2.8 and a 7D MKII indoor hockey. I shoot leagues that play in local rinks and arenas and have had f/2.8 and bump my ISO up to 2500 to get a photo. If he is shooting in a pro arena his F4 and ISO low setting will still be hard to get a good photo. Guess he will go Sigma for the f/2.8 and not the Canon f/4.0. Good luck and let us know what you purchase and how the photos come out.

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Jul 24, 2018 12:29:35   #
PaulR01 Loc: West Texas
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
From using it and owning one and from my friends that own them. I think all those lab tests are bullshit anyway. They are skewed and unbelievable.

A friend and pro photographer Jeff Cable recommends the Canon 100-400 and he leaves his $12000 600mm lens home now when he shoots at the Olympics and Africa safari's.

Please feel free to look him up: http://www.jeffcable.com/

A statement from him: Canon 100-400 II

For all those times when I need to photograph something from a distance, I rely on the Canon 100-400mm II lens. This is the second revision of this lens and much much sharper than the first version. Unlike the first push/pull version, this new 100-400 is a twist zoom lens. I use this lens on a tripod at the back of almost every temple and church. I also use this lens for a majority of my sports and wildlife photography when I can not get close to my subject.

His Gear:

http://www.jeffcable.com/mygear
From using it and owning one and from my friends t... (show quote)


I have meet Jeff before and yes he uses his 100-400 II often. But being a Pro and the level of play he shoots allows him to do that. Pro and D1 College venues will have what is called TV lighting. Lighting which allows you to shoot in the 3500 ISO range or a bit less. Having TV broadcast lighting allows you to shoot an F4 lens if you have a decent body. The last time I shot at the Cowboy Death Star in Arlington TX I wore sunglasses while I shot. I shoot D1 College Football & Basketball down to small school football and basketball. A fast lens is a must.

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Jul 24, 2018 12:47:50   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
brucewells wrote:
Alan, I'm certainly not critical of your technique. I'm simply saying that in what I do, I like to keep the ISO set low. Granted, I do not do sports photography, and I may be 'pixel peeping' more than I need to, but I like the results I get.


Yeah, I'm certainly no pro but I am a peeper too, especially with macro and birding where heavy cropping comes into play. I moved to high mega pixel full frames because of that and try to keep the ISO below 640, even 400 can get noisy with heavy cropping.

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Jul 24, 2018 12:49:11   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Absolutely you need the speed of the 2.8 for indoor sports, but unless you need the zoom capabilities, the Canon 300mm f2.8L (non-IS version 1) is less than half the price (used), lighter, sharper and has faster AF.

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Jul 24, 2018 12:49:40   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
DonOles wrote:
Just purchased a 1dx used. Now looking to purchase a lens the Canon ef100-4004.5-5.6 IS II or the Sigma 120-300 2.8 Sport. I will be shooting college hockey indoors. The Canon has the longer focal length but the sigma is faster at 2.8. Can i push the iso on the 1DX high enough to compensate for the slower lens or will the Sigma work better since it's a 2.8


Of these two and the use definitely the Sigma. Faster shutter speed no matter what.
I love my 100 - 400mm but it definitely is not an indoor sports lens compared to the Sigma.
300mm indoors should be way plenty too.

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Jul 24, 2018 16:29:44   #
photomarkz Loc: parma hts,ohio
 
i looked at the sigma lens and test reports. most said the lens is soft at 300mm. i bought a canon is 300 f4 L lens. Plenty fast enough for hockey. it is tack sharp.

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Jul 24, 2018 17:18:45   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
DonOles wrote:
Just purchased a 1dx used. Now looking to purchase a lens the Canon ef100-4004.5-5.6 IS II or the Sigma 120-300 2.8 Sport. I will be shooting college hockey indoors. The Canon has the longer focal length but the sigma is faster at 2.8. Can i push the iso on the 1DX high enough to compensate for the slower lens or will the Sigma work better since it's a 2.8

The DX is able to handle higher ISO, but I think the Canon is still a better choise, it has more reach (although not by much), but it is way better at autofocusing, the Sigma can't keep up here, it is also better optically! And to top it all off, you'll save a bundle!

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Jul 24, 2018 19:41:39   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
PaulR01 wrote:
I have meet Jeff before and yes he uses his 100-400 II often. But being a Pro and the level of play he shoots allows him to do that. Pro and D1 College venues will have what is called TV lighting. Lighting which allows you to shoot in the 3500 ISO range or a bit less. Having TV broadcast lighting allows you to shoot an F4 lens if you have a decent body. The last time I shot at the Cowboy Death Star in Arlington TX I wore sunglasses while I shot. I shoot D1 College Football & Basketball down to small school football and basketball. A fast lens is a must.
I have meet Jeff before and yes he uses his 100-40... (show quote)


He uses the 100-400 Mk II at the Olympics (Summer and Winter) No special lighting there. His Winter sport is Hockey, but he photographs everything he can when he isn't shooting his sport. Summer Olympics is water polo. And again he photographs everything he can when the swimmers aren't competing.

MT is really trying hard to dispute this but only because he has a camera store and the markup on Sigma and Tamron is probably higher which is good for business. But by reading most of what he has to say, he is so biased toward Canon and loves, loves, loves Nikon, it's no wonder that he NEVER has anything good to say about Canon. It's ridiculous to be so biased. I sometimes kid around with my friends that shoot with Nikon equipment, but never have I seen anyone that is so biased toward Canon equipment as MT. I'm sure there are some 3rd party companies that make products that work well with Canon and or Nikon etc., but they never seem to be 100% compatible with every camera body. What I'm saying is that some of them have issues with focus hunting or front focusing etc. Some simply give error messages. I see this all the time when I read things here on UHH. Also, I see less Canon gear for sale than anything else. Why is that? Because it's good gear and people usually don't sell it unless they decide to buy a new release just because.

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Jul 25, 2018 15:05:46   #
Vector
 
I know someone who shot high school and college hockey with the Sigma (probably the version before the one mentioned by the OP) and would definitely say get the Sigma. He shot on a Canon 60D, using Alien Bee lighting and would get very sharp shots wide open. In fact, he would blow them up to banner size and the pics would be very sharp. When shooting sports, especially fast ones like hockey, shutter speed is very important and I don't know what ISO would get the Canon to the right speed (500th at least, 800th to 1000th better). If if you got to that ISO, what noise you'd have.

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