Consider this.......regarding cameras: Latest Canon 5D rated 82 by DP review. Latest Nikon D800 rated 82 by DP review. Pentax K5 rated 83 by DP review and is as of this week on sale...

jim charron Loc: Ontario Canada

Latest Canon 5D rated 82 by DP review.
Latest Nikon D800 rated 82 by DP review.

Pentax K5 rated 83 by DP review and is as of this week on sale for $879.00 !!! :thumbup:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/735971-REG/Pentax_14748_K_5_Digital_SLR_Camera.html

about $2000 lower than above cameras, where as this lower priced camera received a higher gold reward review.

Looks like a no brainer to me?

RTR Loc: West Central Alabama

You are comparing apples and oranges. The Canon and Nikon cameras you mention are full frame and the Pentax is a crop sensor.

jim charron Loc: Ontario Canada

RTR wrote:

You are comparing apples and oranges. The Canon and Nikon cameras you mention are full frame and the Pentax is a crop sensor.

DP review does not catagorize the two.

a camera is a tool, which gives the end result.

Ken Rockwell says there is little diff. between the FX and DX except usually get larger view finder with full frame.

Advantage DX crop factor and lighter lenes generally.

just say'n, many will disagree, I suppose?

jimberton Loc: Michigan's Upper Peninsula

biggest advantage a full frame has besides the extra real estate..is the ability to use really high iso with minimal noise.

my 7d (crop sensor) is ok to iso800 and sometimes iso1600.

when i had the 5dmk2..iso6400 was very usable...

this is BIG when shooting in low light.

i have a friend who already has the 5dmk3 and he has taken great photos using iso28000.

i am saving my bucks for the mk3.

jim charron Loc: Ontario Canada

jimberton wrote:

biggest advantage a full frame has besides the extra real estate..is the ability to use really high iso with minimal noise.

my 7d (crop sensor) is ok to iso800 and sometimes iso1600.

when i had the 5dmk2..iso6400 was very usable...

this is BIG when shooting in low light.

i have a friend who already has the 5dmk3 and he has taken great photos using iso28000.

i am saving my bucks for the mk3.

Does full frame mean better ISO ? I doubt it.
I think its just the fact the newer the camera better the high ISO.
Canon's 5D stregth has always been good high ISO.
It just improves with every later model.

The sony nex5N fairly new camera has better high ISO then the nikon full frme 700.

I think it has more to do with the new sensor technologies, and not full frame camera type.???

Stevieboy Loc: West Palm Beach, Florida

interesting discussion.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

jim charron wrote:

Latest Canon 5D rated 82 by DP review.
Latest Nikon D800 rated 82 by DP review.

Pentax K5 rated 83 by DP review and is as of this week on sale for $879.00 !!! :thumbup:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/735971-REG/Pentax_14748_K_5_Digital_SLR_Camera.html

about $2000 lower than above cameras, where as this lower priced camera received a higher gold reward review.

Looks like a no brainer to me?

One of the many jobs I would not want is camera reviewer. Not only do you have to do a thorough analysis of the equipment, you have to be ready to say one is better or worse than another.

I read as many reviews as I can when I plan to buy something, but I always take them with a grain of salt. Many times, different reviewers will offer opposite opinions on the same product. Using a number scale is an easy way to compare cameras and lenses, but how did the reviewer arrive at that scale? Where is he putting the emphasis? A lot of reviewing is subjective, under the guise of objective

BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD

my understanding is that "full frame (FX) vs the DX means you get a greater overall angle of view. Reference to the DX usually inlcudes mention of a "crop-factor", i.e. w/Nikon its 1.5 - meaning that the DX needs to be increased in size by that factor to get an image equal in FOV to its FX. Think I said that right. The sensor size has little to do with the noise factor - this gets into the size of the pixels and the camera's software.

jim charron Loc: Ontario Canada

jerryc41 wrote:

quote=jim charron Latest Canon 5D rated 82 by DP ... (show quote)

your correct Jerry, a very difficult task.
But a very useful, review and attemp even though they are off a little or wrong a bit.

This comparison still speaks volumes in my opinion.
I personally agree with the reviews by +/- three points on most of their reviews on different cameras.

Given the three cameras above; a three point difference in either direction, the money gap is still big !!

You must agree at this point all results/pictures would be fairly close, and the differences between features would be
here or there depending on personal preferences?

Just thought I would bring forward an interesting observation to this forum.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

jim charron wrote:

You must agree at this point all results/pictures would be fairly close, and the differences between features would be here or there depending on personal preferences?

Just thought I would bring forward an interesting observation to this forum.

When it comes to quality cameras, none will give you bad pictures. It's like deciding which model Ferrari to buy - you can't go wrong.

videop Loc: Florida

A lot of good and interesting comments, but if you feel the price is right ( which seems it is) and this is the camera for you, then go for it. If you don't you'll feel sorry you did not try it. But if you buy it and your happy, then good for you, If not, you can always try E-bay to sell it. Good luck on your decision.

ecobin Loc: Paoli, PA

jim charron wrote:

Latest Canon 5D rated 82 by DP review.
Latest Nikon D800 rated 82 by DP review.

Pentax K5 rated 83 by DP review and is as of this week on sale for $879.00 !!! :thumbup:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/735971-REG/Pentax_14748_K_5_Digital_SLR_Camera.html

about $2000 lower than above cameras, where as this lower priced camera received a higher gold reward review.

Looks like a no brainer to me?

Oh those rating numbers! When we (I got married when I graduated college in '68) were in graduate school and needed a vacuum cleaner I read consumer reports and they recommended a Sunbeam for $40 as a "Best Buy" and had higher ratings than the $100+ ones. As you said, "no brainer". So I bought it - lasted 1.5 years and the motor burned out. Then I bought one that's never been rated or reviewed by CR. We still have it and works fine & great suction!

If we learned anything in graduate school, it is to discount all those reviews and ratings. Read them to learn what to look for, both positive and negative aspects. Then make your own decision. I still have a working Pentax Spotmatic and think very highly of Pentax, but I wouldn't make my decision about my next upgrade on the numbers - no brainer!

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

ecobin wrote:

If we learned anything in graduate school, it is to discount all those reviews and ratings. Read them to learn what to look for, both positive and negative aspects. Then make your own decision. I still have a working Pentax Spotmatic and think very highly of Pentax, but I wouldn't make my decision about my next upgrade on the numbers - no brainer!

Good point.

jim charron Loc: Ontario Canada

jerryc41 wrote:

ecobin wrote:

If we learned anything in graduate school, it is to discount all those reviews and ratings. Read them to learn what to look for, both positive and negative aspects. Then make your own decision. I still have a working Pentax Spotmatic and think very highly of Pentax, but I wouldn't make my decision about my next upgrade on the numbers - no brainer!

Good point.

I disagree, reviewers are a great way to steer you in the write direction. Especially DP reviewers.
To disregard them is foolish !
Of course its not the only tool, and would not buy on reviews, numbers only,(obvious) but it sure should peak alot of attention and get you to try one.??? (if your in the market)

Pentony Loc: Earth Traveller

jerryc41 wrote:

ecobin wrote:

If we learned anything in graduate school, it is to discount all those reviews and ratings. Read them to learn what to look for, both positive and negative aspects. Then make your own decision. I still have a working Pentax Spotmatic and think very highly of Pentax, but I wouldn't make my decision about my next upgrade on the numbers - no brainer!

Good point.

VERY GOOD POINT. Remember it's the person behind the camera, not the camera. For over forty years I've photographed using Range finder, twin lens, SLR, DSLR, medium format and point and shoot. Remember it's the human being, not he machine. As in computers, "garbage in = garbage out." Any camera you get, learn the camera, master the camera so that you can teach about the camera.