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Jul 20, 2018 12:00:21   #
Gifted One Loc: S. E. Idaho
 
Fotoartist wrote:
How will an L-bracket help if you want to rotate half way between horizontal and vertical?


Well I would move the head. The L is not relevant at that point. Flawed question.


J. R.

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Jul 20, 2018 12:02:22   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
imagemeister wrote:
You CAN adapt Manfro to A/S quite easily ! Generic L brackets are cheap and they work ! If you use larger lenses without tripod collar, IMO, you need a way of providing BALANCE over your tripod head ON BOTH AXIS for efficient use. PM me for specifics.

Acratech has a new head - https://www.ebay.com/itm/DEMO-never-used-Acratech-1160-Long-Lens-Head/183330020191?hash=item2aaf521b5f%3Ag%3AKv4AAOSwoSFbTdi4&_sacat=625&_nkw=acratech&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=m570.l1313 - for large lenses.

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You CAN adapt Manfro to A/S quite easily ! Generic... (show quote)


Other than the 200-500, most of my lenses are of a fairly similar size - 105, 70-300 FX, 24-120. Those don’t have collars and I don’t know whether or not they qualify as larger lenses. I started out thinking I could convert my Manfrotto if it was possible but I now think I really need to get a stronger ball head so I may as well get AS to start with. I looked at the link and it is an interesting head. Looks like it would work well.

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Jul 20, 2018 12:31:51   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Cwilson341 wrote:
Other than the 200-500, most of my lenses are of a fairly similar size - 105, 70-300 FX, 24-120. Those don’t have collars and I don’t know whether or not they qualify as larger lenses. I started out thinking I could convert my Manfrotto if it was possible but I now think I really need to get a stronger ball head so I may as well get AS to start with. I looked at the link and it is an interesting head. Looks like it would work well.


The 70-300 definitely qualifies - and IMO the 24-120 also. With the linked head I posted, you would definitely need a bracket to go vertical with un-collared lenses as it is only 2-way pan/tilt - but would work nicely with the 200-500 on a tripod OR monopod.

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Jul 20, 2018 12:44:50   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
Kuzano wrote:
You are costing yourself far more in resolution for big prints by cropping an image because you can't fill the frame with the subject being shot, by flipping to vertical. You are throwing away a lot of pixels that would be in a print that is shot horizontal to just use the part that would be a vertical.

Why do you consider shooting in portrait mode to be "throwing away pixels"? Some images are better in a more vertical composition. If you shoot in landscape, and have to crop to get the look you want, THAT is throwing away pixels! NOTE: I just verified by looking at some photos I took yesterday. Same subject, one in landscape, the other in vertical. The dimensions were the same for each, which verifies my opinion that vertical is NOT throwing away pixels - the screen can be filled either way and use the whole sensor.
Kuzano wrote:
OTOH, I can't conceive of paying what some people want for these truly simple devices. The can be milled inexpensively from good material. No decent engineer is going to market and sell a device that blocks the battery door, particularly when the expensive tools give all the measurements and material specs. It's called reverse engineering. As a designer/engineer/etc... buy the expensive one for a sample, craft it and sell it.

No one has ever walked up to me and exclaimed "Whoooah! is that an RRS L plate???"

Somebody makes and sells just what you need for a reasonable price.
OTOH, I can't conceive of paying what some people ... (show quote)

If you read the OP's posts, you would know that RRS does make an L-bracket for that camera - OP just overlooked it and found it later! And I suspect you are over-simplifying what goes into making the L-plates [and other custom gear]. Perhaps the materials are not very expensive, although RRS doesn't use cheap materials. But consider the research to come up with that custom design for each camera, the testing to make sure they have it right, and then the precision milling to have everything fit together the way it should. All of that costs money. AND each item can become outdated very quickly when people replace cameras on a regular basis. Technology just keeps on moving. There is a limited time frame for making the profit required for producing truly custom and high quality L-brackets, plates, etc. Also, if someone didn't do the work, what would people who think like you do use to make a copy?

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Jul 20, 2018 12:55:35   #
Bullfrog Bill Loc: CT
 
Cwilson341 wrote:
I have a Manfrotto tripod that I like but it does not take Arca Swiss. I am considering getting a different tripod or at least changing heads.

I think I want to be able to use an L bracket. I am interested in feed back on L brackets and their use. I use a tripod quite a bit and seldom do vertical shots because of the hassle. It seems to be the way to go but it is an investment so I want to be sure.

I use both a full frame camera and also a D500. I see several choices for brackets for the FF - RRS, Kirk and others. As far as I can tell, RRS does not have a bracket for the D500 but I did find one Kirk model. Is there some reason not to use an L bracket on the D500? I was surprised RRS did not have one (unless I missed it). EDIT: RRS does have one. It is just currently out of stock.

I would appreciate any advice on these subjects.
I have a Manfrotto tripod that I like but it does ... (show quote)


I used Kirk for my D800 and now on my D850 - works great and the new model has a clip that holds the allen wrench.

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Jul 20, 2018 13:02:32   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
j.l.h wrote:
I have two L brackets, one for my K-1 and one for my X1D. Custom brackets are more expensive but they won't block access to the card slots, outputs or battery. If you have a generic one it could be frustrating have to remove it when you need access to the camera. I have a Manfrotto tripod and bought an arca-swiss compatible ball head for it. The L brackets make switching from horizontal to vertical (portrait) easy. I shoot panos in the vertical and with the L bracket the camera is centered above the ball head not hanging off the side.
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Thank you, jlh. That’s what I am thinking at this point. Since I already have concerns about my ball heat, if I get a new one that is already AS compatible, that should take care of the problem. I’m looking forward to getting a bracket.

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Jul 20, 2018 13:12:29   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
I see that this post is back on top again so I'll point out that for about $6 you can buy an "L" bracket on eBay and see if it is something you will like and use. I've bought many things like this on eBay and about 80% of the time I'm happy with the product. Some of the knockoffs are great.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2505460.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xdslr+l+bracket.TRS0.TSS0&_nkw=dslr+l+bracket&_sacat=0

or you can buy a RRS one for $200

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?ci=38006&fct=fct_camera-plate-type_6420%7Ccamera-l-bracket-plates%2Bfct_camera-plate-type_6420%7Cl-bracket-battery-grip-plates&cp=15293%2B38005%2B38006&origSearch=l+bracket



Cwilson341 wrote:
I have a Manfrotto tripod that I like but it does not take Arca Swiss. I am considering getting a different tripod or at least changing heads.

I think I want to be able to use an L bracket. I am interested in feed back on L brackets and their use. I use a tripod quite a bit and seldom do vertical shots because of the hassle. It seems to be the way to go but it is an investment so I want to be sure.

I use both a full frame camera and also a D500. I see several choices for brackets for the FF - RRS, Kirk and others. As far as I can tell, RRS does not have a bracket for the D500 but I did find one Kirk model. Is there some reason not to use an L bracket on the D500? I was surprised RRS did not have one (unless I missed it). EDIT: RRS does have one. It is just currently out of stock.

I would appreciate any advice on these subjects.
I have a Manfrotto tripod that I like but it does ... (show quote)

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Jul 20, 2018 13:15:28   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
I was in your position a number of years ago - a Manfrotto tripod and the head had its clamp built in. When I decided to start using RRS, I wanted to start small [$ was an issue...], so I wanted to purchase their clamp and camera plate. Talked to people at RRS and was told how to make that happen. Not exactly sure now, I don't remember everything, but the new clamp was attatched to the Manfrotto clamp. I believe it was done by attaching the RRS clamp to the Manfrotto plate being held in the Manfrotto clamp! From there I ended up with all RRS - Tripod, B-55 ballhead, plate for my camera. Heavy-duty stuff, and that first clamp and plate I bought exuded an aura of quality when I took them out of the package! I've never been disappointed with anything from RRS. Now I have RRS L-plates on both my cameras.

The L-plate from RRS has been made to fit a particular camera, and it is not just to prevent rotation. It also has openings on the vertical side that allow you to access ports for accessories [such as the wired remote shutter release] without hassle. The reason why Rotation is an issue is because the camera and lens combination may be within the declared limits for the tripod head, but not all manufacturers will sufficiently account for that extra pressure [I think it is called "shear force"] that occurs with longer lens length and with tipping the camera up or down so it is no longer centered over the tripod. As has already been mentioned, the L-plate will also be added protection for the camera. This I know from personal experience. Took a nasty fall, camera was on the strap around my neck. The L-bracket got a "ding" in it right on the corner. If it was not there, the possibility the camera itself would be damaged was very much higher. I also had the lens hood on the lens, so no damage there either! Only damage was to me, but luckily it was messy but only superficial.

Head slippage was also an issue I had. Similar to the reasons for rotation. I love the B-55, heavy duty ball head from RRS. Yes, a gimbal head would be better for a large lens, because it makes it easier to move the lens quickly. The main reason for any difficulty with a large lens on a ball head seems to me to be because of its weight, but many people are so used to it that it does not bother them. I am planning to buy a gimbal head, but don't have a very long lens yet!

If you are considering purchasing a new tripod in the future, keep in mind that a very good tripod is not likely to be any less than ~$500 [RRS start at $835 for full-size carbon fiber] . And when you have spent more than that for each of [or most of] your cameras and lenses, it is not unreasonable to buy the best you can for that added quality and stability. Nothing worse than a tripod tipping over because the camera/lens combination makes it unstable.
I was in your position a number of years ago - a M... (show quote)


Susan, than you for a beautifully written and meaningful response. I want to do this right because I don’t want to have to do it again in a year or two and your points are very helpful. I only have the one lens that I consider big and it is not as big as the long primes. I don’t find it all that heavy to work with as long as it is on a tripod. It’s too much for me to hand hold. If a gimbal is in my future it is a ways off. Thank you again.

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Jul 20, 2018 13:27:58   #
ICN3S Loc: Cave Junction, OR
 
I have L brackets on all my cameras. When I buy a new camera I immediately order the L bracket. I don't use the ports often but always buy the bracket specific to the camera so I don't have to remove it when I want to use port. I don't know how I survived before getting L brackets😀

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Jul 20, 2018 13:34:58   #
latebloomer Loc: Topeka, KS
 
I have a RRS L BRACKET on my D500. (The only RRS equipment I own.)It is on there all the time. It is a finely machined bracket for the D500. It fits like a glove and allows access to all ports, battery, and cards. It was not cheap, neither was the D500 or the lenses on it. I consider it to be one of the smartest investments I made for this camera. It holds everything tight with no slop. Even includes a magnetic place to keep the Allen wrench with the bracket. I will never need to replace it. In this case, "Buy the best and cry once." Good luck on your decision.

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Jul 20, 2018 13:35:08   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
mizzee wrote:
I’ve been in a similar quandary about an L bracket. The issue with the generic ones is access not only to the side panels but, of great importance to me, the battery door! Hence, a different model for each camera and at greater price. Because my camera has such great image stabilization, I seldom have to use a tripod unless I’m going for long exposure/landscape. So no L bracket for me.


Mizzee, I’m glad for you that you don’t need to use a tripod. I am reasonably strong but I just don’t feel steady enough to hand hold in many cases. It depends on the situation. I have gained a lot of knowledge from the responses I have revceived and it will make the decisions much easier.

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Jul 20, 2018 13:38:51   #
bgate Loc: Texas
 
The Surui K-30 ballhead is super, rated for 60lbs.
Cwilson341 wrote:
Thank you, jlh. That’s what I am thinking at this point. Since I already have concerns about my ball heat, if I get a new one that is already AS compatible, that should take care of the problem. I’m looking forward to getting a bracket.

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Jul 20, 2018 13:39:24   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
jtwind wrote:
I do mostly landscapes and find a L bracket is indispensable. Having to find the slot in the ball mount and when you do realizing that the tripod needs to be adjusted so you can get things level is really a pain. Generic L brackets are ok but but can be a hassle if you need to change batteries or plug in a remote release, plus they can make a handheld shooting a bit awkward. The "better"brackets" are quite nice and tend to blend more with the camera body shape and allow you to access all the camera ports. Well worth it in my opinion.
I do mostly landscapes and find a L bracket is ind... (show quote)


Thank you, JT. I am really looking forward to getting a bracket because I hate dealing with the re-adjusting. I am confident it will make a big difference. Your advice about the brackets is sound, too, and I have decided to look at it as an investment and get the right one.

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Jul 20, 2018 13:48:12   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
ggenova64 wrote:
Try calling RRS @t 888-777-5557


Thank you for the number. I understand RRS is in the process of moving and that has apparently led to delays in supply. B&H has a tentative eta on a few items but not on others. I will give RRS a call but B&H has most of what I am looking for-just not the tripod legs.

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Jul 20, 2018 13:49:03   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
Robertl594 wrote:
They have moved. Their 800 number is temporarily not working. You need to dial 385-248-0777


Thank you for avoiding frustration for me!

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