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Jul 20, 2018 06:31:11   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
chrissybabe wrote:
I bought a bracket for our D850 (can't help you whether you can source one for a D500). It was about a 3rd the price of the really expensive ones.
First I tried a generic one but it was hopeless. Then I found a better one that cam with the correct openings for the D850 and the base had an uplift on the back which the camera fitted into. So now the camera fits snugly into the L bracket and because of the uplift it cannot come loose which is the bugbear of all mounting systems. I would not touch generic with a barge-pole now especially since the generic DON'T have the uplift.

I also have an extensive Manfrotto tripod and head collection. I have just finished converting everything away from their QR system to Arca-swiss. There were a few things to learn but the three main points to watch for are that you should take as much use of the 3/8" fittings as possible. These are generally found as the top bolt on the tripod or the bottom thread on a head. All my AS fittings came with the 3/8" to 1/4" adapters so just a case of removing these.
The second thing to watch for is that some of Manfrottos heads come with a special fitting which is keyed to the bottom of their QR clamp. So if you remove the clamp you cannot fit an Arca-swiss fitting onto the head securely. Now if you look at the bottom of a generic AS clamp fitting (I used generic for all of mine) you will notice that there is a cutout either side of the screw hole. I used to wonder why this was so but about 2 weeks ago I found the adapter which keys them both together. I have only ever seen one supplier that has these adapters and I am waiting for two to arrive any day now. Only a few dollars for a pair.
The last thing to watch for is that I had a lot of trouble sorting out my video head. The Manfrotto QR clamp is physically part of the head so in my case I machined out the whole area to take a 50mm AS clamp. So all my tripods and heads work with everything converted to AS (except for the couple waiting for the adapter). I was looking at making an adapter plate from a Manfrotto plate to a AS clamp but decided to go with the machining instead. If you don't have a video head then everything was quite easy.
Been a bit of a mission but now happy that all is working. The AS fittings make macro-photography more stable.
I bought a bracket for our D850 (can't help you wh... (show quote)


Thank you. A lot of good info here. I’m glad to know the conversion can be successful.

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Jul 20, 2018 06:33:20   #
CO
 
Cwilson341 wrote:
What do you consider large? The 200-500 is my only lens that I think of as large. Is a gimble only suitable for a lens with collar? That’s one reason I hadn’t really thought of getting a gimble. I will take a look at Jobu though.


You can use a gimbal for any lens really but they're usually used with large lenses that have a tripod collar. They can be completely locked down for stationary subjects. I would still use a ballhead or 3-way head when mounting the camera using the tripod socket on the bottom of the camera.

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Jul 20, 2018 06:37:51   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
Beautiful shot, John. Monarchs and milkweed are a natural! Sounds like the bracket works very well for you. I’ll definitely take a look.

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Jul 20, 2018 06:45:30   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Cwilson341 wrote:
I have a Manfrotto tripod that I like but it does not take Arca Swiss. I am considering getting a different tripod or at least changing heads.

I think I want to be able to use an L bracket. I am interested in feed back on L brackets and their use. I use a tripod quite a bit and seldom do vertical shots because of the hassle. It seems to be the way to go but it is an investment so I want to be sure.

I use both a full frame camera and also a D500. I see several choices for brackets for the FF - RRS, Kirk and others. As far as I can tell, RRS does not have a bracket for the D500 but I did find one Kirk model. Is there some reason not to use an L bracket on the D500? I was surprised RRS did not have one (unless I missed it). EDIT: RRS does have one. It is just currently out of stock.

I would appreciate any advice on these subjects.
I have a Manfrotto tripod that I like but it does ... (show quote)


RRS is moving so ordering is difficult and lots of things are on backorder.

I have a D800 and a D810 - and a RRS bracket along with a generic $20 one. While the generic one is serviceable (only get the one with the lip that prevents camera rotation in the bracket), the fit and finish on the RRS is considerably better, and less likely to mar the bottom of the camera. Also, the bolt holding the camera on the bracket is often too long on the cheap brackets, requiring a trip to the hardware store for a washer or two. The RRS was perfect. Lastly, the generic ones don't have a centerline on either side - which the RRS has. This is important if you choose to use a pano head or some other support system that requires precise mounting.

The L brackets live on my cameras.

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Jul 20, 2018 06:52:39   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
The L bracket on our D850 is from Sunwayfoto model DNL-D850. Available from B&H for 60 bucks. Very happy with it.

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Jul 20, 2018 07:07:48   #
bedouin Loc: Big Bend area, Texas
 
An alternative to consider- the Manfrotto 322RC2 grip ball head. It supports about 12# and is lighter than most ball heads which support that weight.
It allows you to switch horizontal to vertical without having to detach a bracket.

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Jul 20, 2018 07:22:45   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
travisdeland wrote:
Carol-since you have multiple camera models, I think I would be inclined to get a generic bracket that would work with most/all of your bodies. After using the bracket, and you decide that it's really a way to go(and I'm pretty sure you will), then decide which body would be used the most and get a quality bracket for that body. You'll still have the generic for use on the other cameras. When I'm in the Smokies, my RRS L bracket stays on one of my 7D2's. As for the tripod, I have a couple of Nest carbon fiber models. I'm leaving town next week and would be happy to lend you one to try out-drop me a PM.****edit: I also have a gimbal you can try as well.
Carol-since you have multiple camera models, I thi... (show quote)


Good morning, Travis! That sounds like a good idea on the brackets. I am convinced I will like using them. Without one is a hassle. On the tripod front, my Manfrotto tripod is carbon fiber and I think it is probably sufficiently stable. I tend to be practical and will use it if I can. I now wish I had gone with four sections so it would be better to travel with. I got a three section thinking it would be more stable. I don’t think my ball head is strong enough. I switched to using a 3 way Head because I was uncomfortable with the ball head but I would like to go back to a ball head. I think I’m going to look at getting a better head and that will also solve the Arca Swiss issue. I’m almost afraid to try a gimbal. I would probably want one and I would rather only have one tripod. I only have the one lens that would be really suited to a gimbal head. Too many decisions! If I decide to get a new tripod as well as head, I might try your gimbal then. I could put one on my current legs but I’m not there yet.

Are you heading for the Smokies. If so, I’m jealous!

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Jul 20, 2018 07:24:18   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
We had a couple of 322RC2s but found that after a while (1-2 years) the ball wasn't the best. Just didn't hold any sort of weight without slipping. Even as you adjusted the handle knob to increase tension it just wasn't enough. This was noted in a review I read a few years after we got rid of them. And you can definitely move from landscape to portrait but it shifted the balance of the tripod off to the left. A good idea but not well executed.

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Jul 20, 2018 07:30:53   #
ggenova64
 
B&H sells RRS

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Jul 20, 2018 07:33:16   #
throughrhettseyes Loc: Rowlett, TX
 
The D500 battery is on the bottom of the camera and on the left side of the battery grip.. so I just loosen t game ever L bracket to get access to the battery.can't you get a arc la swiss platemail for your tripod. I did that to all my tripods..

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Jul 20, 2018 07:35:59   #
Julian Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
Vienna74 wrote:
I think the L-bracket I have is one of the best accessories ever for my camera. The problem with tipping the ball head is having to realign the photo. With an L-bracket the swap is faster. Also, when shooting a pano, the pivot of the ball head is no longer below the focal plane. The L-bracket solves that. I leave it on my camera all the time.


Foe accurate pano photography the pivot of the ball head should be coincident with the nodal point of the specific lens used; the "L" bracket does not solve that unless it contains an offset adjustment. The Nodal Ninja products are well designed for that purpose.

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Jul 20, 2018 07:39:00   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
chrissybabe wrote:
The L bracket on our D850 is from Sunwayfoto model DNL-D850. Available from B&H for 60 bucks. Very happy with it.


I think I saw that on B&H and it had good reviews. It’s good to have a “live” review, too!

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Jul 20, 2018 07:40:46   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
bedouin wrote:
An alternative to consider- the Manfrotto 322RC2 grip ball head. It supports about 12# and is lighter than most ball heads which support that weight.
It allows you to switch horizontal to vertical without having to detach a bracket.


Thank you for the suggestion. I don’t think I have looked at that particular model. I never though I wanted a grip but I’ll take another look.

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Jul 20, 2018 07:43:28   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
If you are happy with your tripod just get a new head capable of using the Arca Swiss mount. It should not be the type of investment it was in the past. There are many Arca Swiss type of mounts that sell for very reasonable prices.
The L bracket, as you most probably know, allows to shoot in the portrait and landscape positions of the camera without affecting the center of gravity. I am familiar with Kirk and RRS and both are of very good quality. I recently bought an off brand L bracket for my Olympus mirrorless camera and I am very satisfied with the quality at a fraction of the price I would have paid buying one sold by the companies I have just mentioned.

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Jul 20, 2018 07:47:57   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
chrissybabe wrote:
We had a couple of 322RC2s but found that after a while (1-2 years) the ball wasn't the best. Just didn't hold any sort of weight without slipping. Even as you adjusted the handle knob to increase tension it just wasn't enough. This was noted in a review I read a few years after we got rid of them. And you can definitely move from landscape to portrait but it shifted the balance of the tripod off to the left. A good idea but not well executed.


It is very disconcerting when you have a shot all lined up and a minute later you see it is several degrees lower. That has been a big part of my concern. I really don’t like having to flip the tripod mount over to do portrait. It is a hassle, at least for me.

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