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Jul 21, 2018 18:55:19   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Cwilson341 wrote:
Gary, I have that head on my monopod. I need to take a look to see how to add AS to it. Thank you for pointing it out.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/QR-50-Quick-Release-Clamp-Plate-For-Arca-SWISS-Manfrotto-Gitzo-Transition-Socket/332501203508?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l9372

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Jul 22, 2018 00:29:10   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
imagemeister wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/QR-50-Quick-Release-Clamp-Plate-For-Arca-SWISS-Manfrotto-Gitzo-Transition-Socket/332501203508?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l9372

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Thank you, Larry. I’ll take a look at my monopod in the morning but that should work as long as the clamp screws off.

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Jul 22, 2018 01:08:46   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
Don't forget these if you get the screw out of your Manfrotto clamp and find you have the Man. specific head shaft. They should allow the Man. shaft to mate up to a standard Arca-Swiss clamp. I have 2 on order but they haven't arrived yet so I cannot confirm a no hassle solution but they do look good. The plates from B&H might be a good solution if your head has an integral clamp for Mans. QR plate. I machined the one head I had to take the A-S clamp. Very successful.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=female+to+male+boss+adapter+for+manfrotto+head+clamp+replace+to+arca+swiss&_sacat=0

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Jul 22, 2018 01:18:46   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
chrissybabe wrote:
Don't forget these if you get the screw out of your Manfrotto clamp and find you have the Man. specific head shaft. They should allow the Man. shaft to mate up to a standard Arca-Swiss clamp. I have 2 on order but they haven't arrived yet so I cannot confirm a no hassle solution but they do look good. The plates from B&H might be a good solution if your head has an integral clamp for Mans. QR plate. I machined the one head I had to take the A-S clamp. Very successful.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=female+to+male+boss+adapter+for+manfrotto+head+clamp+replace+to+arca+swiss&_sacat=0
Don't forget these if you get the screw out of you... (show quote)


They sure don’t make this stuff simple, do they?

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Jul 22, 2018 03:31:07   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
No they don't. But once you know it becomes easier.
I happen to suffer a bit from GAS myself but it is much worse if it can involve a bit of engineering work as well.
Converting over to A-S has been a mission. It started with Manfrottos QR system many years ago but only recently I have decided that A-S is preferable. I now have 20 Man. clamps and many plates to get rid off. I think that Man QR is adequate for the average photographer, if they have gone that way, but isn't the best if you get into macro.

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Jul 22, 2018 06:56:06   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
chrissybabe wrote:
No they don't. But once you know it becomes easier.
I happen to suffer a bit from GAS myself but it is much worse if it can involve a bit of engineering work as well.
Converting over to A-S has been a mission. It started with Manfrottos QR system many years ago but only recently I have decided that A-S is preferable. I now have 20 Man. clamps and many plates to get rid off. I think that Man QR is adequate for the average photographer, if they have gone that way, but isn't the best if you get into macro.
No they don't. But once you know it becomes easier... (show quote)


You are obviously talented at more than photography. I always admire those who have the engineering bent and can make things work by adapting, inventing and creating! It is really a shame that the Manfrotto system doesn't work as is for some accessories. In general I think Manfrotto quality is good and their price, while not inexpensive, is reasonable for their products. The Manfrotto QR system is solid and secure as well. I am probably going to work through the transition to AS because it seems to be the best way for me to go but I think Manfrotto is still a good option for many people.

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Jul 22, 2018 07:18:40   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
I am very happy with Man tripods and generally with most of their ball heads. The only fittings that have been a disappointment are the type they make that have a hand clamp that opens the ball-head and allows you to reposition the camera. They seem to wear out quite quickly and lose their "grip". I have had other tripods but have grown to dislike any that use a twist grip to lock the legs. They do take up slightly less room I guess but having to undo and do up all the legs and joints is a pain. And you can source full spares for most of the Manfrotto tripods and heads. This is a bonus. And because they are a popular tripod you can always source somebody elses rejects at a good price. As I said I have been using Mans QRs for many years until the need came to swap. I suspect that Man had decided not to go with A-S but to push their own QR instead. And that is their right. But when you need to change you need to change and now that I am completely swapped over to A-S I cannot work out why I hadn't done this much earlier. I have even built brackets for my binoculars to allow connection to my Man monopods as it makes them much more stable when bird watching. Changing this to A-S was very easy. One of the things I like about A-S is the variety of plate sizes available. One of the things I did with the Man plates and clamps was to fit them at the top AND bottom of my heads so that a head swap just takes seconds. And the Man plates also come with 3/8" screw (instead of the 1/4") so you could get very robust and stable connections from the tripod to the heads. And the neat thing is that A-S allows you to do the same.

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Jul 22, 2018 18:55:24   #
codliveroil
 
Thanks for your comments Chrissybabe.
I am interfacing the ProMediaGear C60 | 60mm Arca Swiss Compatible Quick Release Clamp with RRS AS L- Bracket. Neither of the products has surface pins or screws to stop the camera from sliding if the AS clamp becomes loose. It would be good to be able to raise or lower some pins/screws/stops on the Pro Gear AS plate. ( I will put this in the ProGear suggestion box). This would solve the problem for landscape only with the RRS L-Bracket which has insets that would catch the pin/ stops in both slide directions. The portrait position on the RRS L-Bracket has one open end to allow battery access and could only prevent the camera from sliding in one direction. The upside is that it is easy to change camera positions with a slight loosening of the clamp and sliding the camera on the AS clamp than a complete loosening and reengagement to deal with pin/stops. Sometimes there is never a 100% solution. My solution requires some precaution.

Codliveroil

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Jul 22, 2018 19:14:09   #
ggenova64
 
Hi Codliveroil

Would you send a photo?

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Jul 22, 2018 20:55:46   #
SierraP Loc: Eastern Sierras
 
There is a small arca swiss clamp out there that has dual bubbles built-in. Its small and cheap plus it will accept all SA plates. I love my setup.

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Jul 22, 2018 21:16:56   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
We have two cameras, both Nikons, a D850 and a D800. They required two different solutions so this is to illustrate why I did what I did. Some of the solutions turned out by accident.
Some background.
I do not like lock screws with rings on them because sometimes they can hang down and interfere with use. And the ring is too small to get a good purchase to tighten (an exception is the Manfrotto plate which have large rings). So our tool kit always includes a stubby screwdriver with a fat large screwdriver blade. This allows greater purchase to do up clamps.
In the early stages of looking into A-S I found there are two type. One has the two small screws on the plates and relies on cutouts in the clamp to stop them sliding off. The other has machined "lumps" on the plate which relies on a push pin on the clamp to prevent the plate from sliding off. The clamps with these pushpins tend to be integral with certain heads and manufacturers. Since I have heads already I decided not to use any product with this solution.
I have an extreme aversion to anything that allows a clamp or plate to swivel during use.
I tried a generic L bracket but it only had one screw to stop sliding and the access hole for cables was a joke. Like all generic fittings does most things badly and nothing properly.
The D850 -
This is my wifes camera. She hasn't ever used an L bracket but conceded that it might be useful. In the past portrait mode was by using the slot in her ball heads (there are a couple of reasons why this is less than adequate, camera not lined up and overhanging one side plus sometimes meant that various adjustment knobs on the head and QR plates were in the way or obscured). So the L plate needed to have some method of preventing swivel, allow room to change the battery and to allow access to the left hand side for cables. I got a Sunwayfoto D850 specific L bracket. It cleared the battery chamber, has a ledge to prevent swivel, the hole on the LHS allowed access to cables, it had the 2 screws to stop the camera from sliding out. There is a downside to the access hole for cables - it don't work when in the portrait position. But it so happens the screw to fasten to the camera is in a slot so it can be undone and slid along and then there is room for cables. Not ideal but it would work. However of no interest to my wife as she doesn't plug cables in. So all up an almost perfect solution.
The D800 -
This is my camera (now, it was her primary but you know how this stuff works). I happen to have only two fingers on my left hand - childhood accident. But it makes holding a camera awkward. So I made a new handle that sits off to the left hand side. It has clearance for the battery and the handle is far enough away from the camera that cables can be used in either portrait or landscape mode. Also makes taking video much more steady. This handle/bracket is locked to the camera with the usual screw plus an additional pin (found a small hole on the base of the D800) to prevent swivel. Previously it had a Manfrotto plate. So I swapped that for a 70mm A-S plate (with the 2 small screws) and added to this plate another pin interfacing with my bracket to prevent swivel. I so rarely use portrait mode that so far I have not seen fit to try and adapt an L bracket and would probably just tilt it in a ballhead. An almost perfect solution again.

So the end results are two cameras with extremely good QR solutions that works for both of us and allow us to use any tripod/monopod/camera/head.
I suspect (but haven't checked) that the two solutions you are looking at might be the pushpin type of security ? Personally I probably wouldn't look at either of these as solutions now because it does tend to lock you in and limit other possibilities down the track. If you already have one of the options then you are locked in already but just remember this when looking at other A-S solutions later.
The point of this is not to compromise on anything. There will be a solution.

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Jul 22, 2018 21:36:01   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
Gary P wrote:
There is a small arca swiss clamp out there that has dual bubbles built-in. Its small and cheap plus it will accept all SA plates. I love my setup.


There are even some that have 3 level bubbles inbuilt. One on the end, one on the opposite side to the clamp, and the 3rd in the end of the clamping screw. Probably not used a lot but in saying that once I did use one to give me an indication when I was using the tripod on a carpeted floor.

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Jul 23, 2018 01:11:47   #
codliveroil
 
Hello ggenova64

Codliveroil

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Jul 23, 2018 02:26:46   #
codliveroil
 
Hello ggenova64

Codliveroil


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Jul 23, 2018 10:19:11   #
ncribble Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
One other advantage to having an L bracket on one’s cameras is protection. It is like a Face Guard for bumps and oops. It is the first accessory I attach to my cameras and it stays on.

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