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Jul 19, 2018 13:05:35   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
gvarner wrote:
This is why there's usually a Quick Start Guide. That's as far as some folks want to go.


The problem with a quick start guide is that they get people who know little about photography going until they inadvertently and unknowingly push the wrong button. Then it becomes a major frustrating issue they cannot resolve on their own because they lack even the knowledge to know what topic to look for in the camera's manual. And, even if they find the right section of the manual, they don't understand what it is telling them.

It all goes back to the fact that beginners receive poor information during the buying process, either from camera advertisements and packaging, the camera salesperson who is looking for the up-sell or from friends who give poor advice.

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Jul 19, 2018 13:12:14   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
It reminds me of when I was in Las Vegas (for one night) last year. I took my $116 Fuji S8650 to the "Strip" because I didn't want to carry my more expensive Nikons through the seedy area I had to walk through to get there. I set my ISO at 6400 and took decent handheld shots of the various sites. I stood next to a woman with a very expensive Canon; she was taking the shots with her on camera flash popping away. I told her that she wouldn't see anything beyond 13 feet shooting like that. I told her to raise her ISO to around 6400. She handed me a very expensive Canon (like I already mentioned!) and asked me to do it. I told her that she just handed me a very expensive camera and I could probably run faster than her (and the three people with her). Try as I might, I couldn't figure out the Canon menu system for change ISO. I told her to check Youtube when she got back to her hotel and learn how to change the ISO; I reminded her to change it back when she finished shooting at night. She spent a bundle on a great camera which she didn't know how to use!

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Jul 19, 2018 13:44:04   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
Too much complication, too many functions, too much opportunity to screw-up settings. What the world needs is a digital SLR camera that SIMPLY replaces the film with a sensor and memory. I'd love to see a digital back for my Canon AE-1 Program, A-1, F-1, or my Nikon FM2N, F3. But of course I'm dreaming.

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Jul 19, 2018 14:08:29   #
BebuLamar
 
nadelewitz wrote:
I was in an old-time camera shop run by an old-timer who didn't really move past the film era. A lady came in with a higher-end Canon DSLR...5D-6D-7D family. She was asking for help with the camera not autofocusing consistently. The owner was at a loss. I nicely stuck my nose into the conversation, to the relief of the owner. I'm a Canon owner (60D) and tried to figure out her problem.

After puzzling over it a while, I finally noticed it was set for just one of the AF points way-off the center. Of course, the center was where she expected to see good focus. I set it to use all the AF points, and VOILA!! Problem solved, for the immediate term. I explained what was going on and showed her how you change AF points, and why. She had no idea about this functionality or how it got set the way it was.

I should have offered to swap my camera for hers, but I didn't have mine with me. A good example of a beginner buying what someone "recommended" to her with no concern over whether she had any comprehension of its capabilities, and would have been far better off spending a lot less money on a lower-end model to learn with.
I was in an old-time camera shop run by an old-tim... (show quote)


It's fine to have high end camera. You just need to read the manual and figure out how to use it. The low end is actually a lot more difficult to use.

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Jul 19, 2018 14:12:02   #
BebuLamar
 
nadelewitz wrote:
Since I started this thread, I will take the liberty of waxing-on.....

Cameras now have so many buttons, modes, features, technical capabilities that they have surpassed the ability of, I dare say, MANY PEOPLE to comprehend them. This includes the ability to determine what button or joystick or option you may have unknowingly manipulated. The 200+ page manuals can be absolutely intimidating!

Call me a dinosaur if it satisfies your ego. I'm 68 years old, been a photographer for 60 of those years. I've taught photography to kids and adults. I collect Canon and Nikon film cameras. I'm a certified computer technician. I don't fear computers , Windows, Linux, Macs etc. I do have a phobia against smartphones. I want a cell phone to make phone calls with. Everything else is more than I have a desire to use. I don't text, and tell people not to text me. Seems like Smart phones don't even get used to make/receive phone calls anymore.

The other thing that disturbs me is the complication of today's DSLRs. Please don't start a discussion on this camera's good and bad, but when Nikon introduced the Df SLR, I thought, "Ahhh-Nikon gets it! Looks like a film camera. You can set aperture-shutter-ISO and TAKE PICTURES." The price was way out of my reach though.

My first digital camera was a Canon Powershot G5, because SLRs were too costly. More features and functions than I needed. I missed lens interchangeability too much so graduated to a Canon 60D, bought only because a smaller-and-$500.00 cheaper-Rebel did not fit my hands well. Between the manual and "Canon EOS 60D for Dummies" book I have managed to learn about how much it can be manipulated, though I will still will never have a need or desire to utilize many of its capabilities.

I am guilty of saying "Read the Manual!", but that is not how some people learn, including my wife. Technical manuals can be imposing and scary and complicated. I did not say "READ THE MANUAL!" to the lady in the camera store. I did wish that I could have spent time SHOWING her more about her camera to make her a more knowledgeable user.
Since I started this thread, I will take the liber... (show quote)


And you should realize that the high end cameras are generally simpler to use although I must admit that today's cameras are very complicated regardless of which model you buy.

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Jul 19, 2018 14:13:39   #
BebuLamar
 
nadelewitz wrote:
Too much complication, too many functions, too much opportunity to screw-up settings. What the world needs is a digital SLR camera that SIMPLY replaces the film with a sensor and memory. I'd love to see a digital back for my Canon AE-1 Program, A-1, F-1, or my Nikon FM2N, F3. But of course I'm dreaming.


You simply can't afford such things and that's why they don't make them.

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Jul 19, 2018 14:57:24   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Kinda like that old saying "when everything else fails, check the manual."

rmalarz wrote:
I'm with amphoto on this and recommend meticulously reading the manual...more than once.
--Bob

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Jul 19, 2018 18:26:34   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
BebuLamar wrote:
And you should realize that the high end cameras are generally simpler to use although I must admit that today's cameras are very complicated regardless of which model you buy.


High ends are simpler? How do you figure that?

I have my EOS 60D, a 40D and an EOS Rebel XS.
The Rebel (as they all do even now) dispenses with the top LCD display panel, has fewer buttons and dials, no video.
The 40D and Rebel don't have video. I don't care.
The 40D and Rebel have 130 FEWER PAGES in their manuals than the 60D.

Other than more megapixels, which one could debate how important that is, the 60D doesn't give me significant advantages over the other two.

Oh yeah, I also have a Powershot SX150 IS. Not an SLR, can't change lenses, has plenty of megapixels for what I do, shutter/aperture/manual and program modes, large LCD monitor,is pocket-size. Now that's a simple but well-featured camera. Does video too.

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Jul 19, 2018 19:07:05   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
billnikon wrote:
There are many, many folks out there buying things, that others recommend, that they have no idea about. It is not just limited to camera's.

That is true way way too often. People recommending what they like best usually do not take the time to consider the requirements and abilities of the people asking for the recommendation.

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Jul 19, 2018 19:09:57   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
John_F wrote:
Kinda like that old saying "when everything else fails, check the manual."


However, if you read and understand the manual, its less likely that things will fail, and even when they do you'll be much better position to know why.

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Jul 19, 2018 19:14:35   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
photoman022 wrote:
It reminds me of when I was in Las Vegas (for one night) last year. I took my $116 Fuji S8650 to the "Strip" because I didn't want to carry my more expensive Nikons through the seedy area I had to walk through to get there. I set my ISO at 6400 and took decent handheld shots of the various sites. I stood next to a woman with a very expensive Canon; she was taking the shots with her on camera flash popping away. I told her that she wouldn't see anything beyond 13 feet shooting like that. I told her to raise her ISO to around 6400. She handed me a very expensive Canon (like I already mentioned!) and asked me to do it. I told her that she just handed me a very expensive camera and I could probably run faster than her (and the three people with her). Try as I might, I couldn't figure out the Canon menu system for change ISO. I told her to check Youtube when she got back to her hotel and learn how to change the ISO; I reminded her to change it back when she finished shooting at night. She spent a bundle on a great camera which she didn't know how to use!
It reminds me of when I was in Las Vegas (for one ... (show quote)

People buying photography equipment that is beyond their current ability to comprehend is far too common. I think many may have made an assumption that a highly rated and expensive camera will somehow automatically give them better images without the need for them to put any skin in the game.

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Jul 19, 2018 19:41:41   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
mwsilvers wrote:
People buying photography equipment that is beyond their current ability to comprehend is far too common. I think many may have made an assumption that a highly rated and expensive camera will somehow automatically give them better images without the need for them to put any skin in the game.


Amen to that. I see a lot over-recommending right here on UHH.

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Jul 19, 2018 20:56:04   #
Kozan Loc: Trenton Tennessee
 
amfoto1 wrote:
She might have been fine if she'd only read the manual, bought a book or two about the camera and read those, and/or viewed some of the videos online about the Canon focus system.

BTW, it's super easy to "bump buttons" and change the focus point that way. On the models with a "joystick" (5D-series, 7D-series) there's the option of setting the joystick to directly access AF point selection (no need to press another button first.... which is faster but more prone to accidentally changing AF point selection) AND it's possible to set the joystick so that "clicking" it like a mouse button causes the AF point to immediately return to the center point.

I've haven't used 60D, 6D etc. with their slightly different AF control often enough to know what's possible with them. But I almost NEVER use my cameras set to All Points/Auto Selection (the way you set up hers). That leaves it completely up to the camera to decide where to focus and more often than not it chooses something other than what I want.
She might have been fine if she'd only read the ma... (show quote)


In my opinion, it's just dumb not to read the manual for any camera no matter how simple.

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Jul 19, 2018 22:50:27   #
DHThomas Loc: Baton Rouge, LA
 
I thought I had a problem with the autofocus on my Lumix GH5. While using single point focus, the selected point kept moving to the upper right corner. It turned out that my nose was activating the touch screen and selecting that position! I solved the issue by reversing the screen, as I was using the EVF anyway.

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Jul 19, 2018 23:43:16   #
drmike99 Loc: Fairfield Connecticut
 
nadelewitz wrote:
Too much complication, too many functions, too much opportunity to screw-up settings. What the world needs is a digital SLR camera that SIMPLY replaces the film with a sensor and memory. I'd love to see a digital back for my Canon AE-1 Program, A-1, F-1, or my Nikon FM2N, F3. But of course I'm dreaming.


You don't have to dream. Put your focus on manual. Put your camera on manual. Choose a nice "film grade" ISO. Then take out your light meter and use your DSLR like your old manual SLR. It will work perfectly. When I really want to get back to basics I put a roll of TriX in my Rolleicord. The ISO is set for me, the only adjustments I have to make are f stop and shutter speed (per the meter) and focus through the ground glass. Pictures are damned good, too.

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