phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

The right to v**e is something that goes along with citizenship and is mandated by the Constitution of the United States. You are a U.S. citizen (either by birth or naturalization) You meet your state's residency requirements. You are 18 year old. (Some states allow 17-year-olds to v**e in primaries or r******r to v**e if they will be 18 before the general e******n).
Yes this applies to general e******ns, but since when do i*****l a***ns qualify to v**e in any e******n?

http://www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526703128/non-citizens-will-soon-be-able-to-v**e-in-san-francisco-for-school-board

http://rightedition.com/2018/07/17/san-francisco-gives-illegal-aliens-the-right-to-v**e/

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

[quote=phcaan]The right to v**e is something that goes along with citizenship and is mandated by the Constitution of the United States. You are a U.S. citizen (either by birth or naturalization) You meet your state's residency requirements. You are 18 year old. (Some states allow 17-year-olds to v**e in primaries or r******r to v**e if they will be 18 before the general e******n).
Yes this applies to general e******ns, but since when do i*****l a***ns qualify to v**e in any e******n?

abc7news.com/politics/sf-department-of-e******ns-issues-v**er-registration-forms-for-non-citizens/3773817/

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Bad link

tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio

The Democrats are counting on the illegal v**es.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

Fixed it.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

The entire premise is flawed. First off, i*****l a***ns aren't allowed to v**e and when they did a study of v***r f***d they found 0.001 rate of suspected fraud.
Second, the e*******l college has no impact on v***r f***d or i*****l a***ns and in fact, would make it worse. Take a state like Georgia with 16 e*******l v**es. If we eliminated that system and 10 people v**ed illegally, the final count would show 10 v**es in the national total. If however 10 people v**ed illegally and the Georgia e******n was decided by 10 v**es, then all 16 e*******l v**es would go to the candidate that those 10 people influenced.
Then let's go from there. In the recent past, we've had three Presidents elected by a minority of the v**ers. This is wrong on a lot of levels and needs to be stopped. The v**e for President should be a v**e by a majority of the v**ers.
Fortunately, some states are taking this head on and because the states have the right to control their own v****g rules, they've decided to give 100% of their e*******l v**es to the candidate who wins the popular v**e.
So presently there are 12 states that have passed and signed that bill into law.
Some of the states that didn't pass it was because it was vetoed by the Governor and then they didn't have enough v**es to override the veto.
All that's needed is an additional 5 states to pass this and the entire e*******l system becomes an impotent memory and the people of this country get to actually control who wins e******ns.
The really amazing part of this is that now that I've posted this, the attacks will begin from the Right. The Right, who believes in Mom, apple pie and the F**g is going to defend a system that takes away the power of the populace. Louise, Blurry, go ahead, I've heard all your insults before but maybe this time you can make a cognizant argument.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

The e*******l collage also limits the influence of stats that encourage unqualified people to v**e, like you see in San Francisco today. I*****l a***ns can indeed v**e in San Francisco.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

My post covered that. However, by your post, I would deduce that you believe that a minority of the people should choose who becomes the President. Sort of like they do in Russia.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

No, I believe constitutionally qualified v**ers should choose who becomes the president, as usual you didn't deduce anything, you attempted to change what I posted to further your own agenda,

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

So if the majority of "constitutionally qualified v**ers", v**e for Candidate A, but the e*******l college V**es for Candidate B, who should be declared the winner?

forbescat

We are not a pure democracy but a representative democracy. That keeps a few large states from ruling everything. I personally would h**e to see this country under the absolute domination of Calif, NY and Ill. I didn't do the numbers but you get the idea.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

I understand what you're saying but there are some things to remember. One, the e*****rs don't have to v**e the way the v**ers did. Two, by having an e*******l college what we in effect have done is allow a v**er in Idaho to have four times the power of a v**er in California. Three, when the e*******l college was first instituted there was no means of communication other than sending someone to the capital with the results. Now we no longer face the problem and finally, I don't believe the founding fathers ever intended for a minority of v**ers to control federal e******ns.
We can't easily get rid of the e*******l college but we can negate the problems if we get five more states to change their rules and give all their e*******l v**es to the popular v**e winner.

mwalsh Loc: Houston

This San Fransisco v****g rule has no impact on e******ns for national office...no impact on the e*******l college.

States and localities can make wh**ever rules they want for their own e******n jurisductions.

I find the idea of letting i******s v**e in any e******n a bit crazy...but San Fran is somewhat liberal overall.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

You show no evidence that i*****l a***ns will be allowed to v**e, because they won't. No non-citizen can v**e for president, the e*******l college is only for the e******n of the president, so your whole premise is false. What's wrong with you? If you had confidence in your idea, you wouldn't resort to lies in order to support it.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

I agree, this is how it is now, but come general e******n time do you really see anyone in San Fransisco checking, or even caring who is v****g, I don't.