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Jul 7, 2018 08:16:45   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
FiddleMaker wrote:
Do I need to do something with the RAW (RAF) file first before bringing it into Lr CC ? I simply imported the Raw image from the Fuji X-T2 directly into Lr Classic CC and went from there. I have viewed several of Anthony Morganti's videos on Lightroom so I have some understanding of how the Developemnt module works.

You cannot adjust directly the default actions in LR for RAW. The insides of LR are the same as Camera RAW where basic sharpening and noise reduction are applied when the RAW image is imported. These are minor changes and amount to nothing at all in terms of processing. But, if you inspected the imported version with a viewer that renders the RAW file rather than the embedded JPEG preview, you will see LR has done a small amount of something during the import.

To your question, no, you don't need to process the RAW file prior to import. But once in the LR editor, then it is your artistic and technical vision to complete the processing. Where your vision includes processing that is repetitive and / or standard changes you make to all images (keywords, sharpening, noise, saturation, lens corrections, clarify, vibrance, and so on), you can create Import and / or Develop presets that perform these actions automatically.

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Jul 7, 2018 08:20:53   #
FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA
 
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
Just click on "Home" at the top of the page, and you will find a list of sections.

OK, I found the section you are referring to. Yes, I should have posted there.

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Jul 7, 2018 08:30:53   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
FiddleMaker wrote:
Inside Lightroom I simply create subject specific folders and my imported images go there.

The options to which I refer are:
-Copy as DNG
-Copy
-Move
-Add

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Jul 7, 2018 08:35:11   #
FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA
 
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
The options to which I refer are:
-Copy as DNG
-Copy
-Move
-Add

Should I choose "Copy as DNG" when transferring files from the SD card directly into Lr ?

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Jul 7, 2018 08:43:23   #
FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Agreed. The OP posted two images in resolution 3008x2000-pixels. But the LR export is sized at 1500x1000-pixels. This modification occurs in the Export dialog. Since the resolution of the LR export is so much less, no one can properly assess how sharp the LR version is relative to the other two example images.

Good point. This never occurred to me. I need make sure "apples are being compared to apples"

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Jul 7, 2018 09:23:26   #
FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA
 
Crazytooth wrote:
I'm no expert but image #2 is at a much lower resolution, your export setting in Lightroom need adjusting.

Yes, this is probably half my problem right here. Glad you mentioned this. Image 2 is half the resolution of the Image 1

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Jul 7, 2018 09:57:54   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
FiddleMaker wrote:
Should I choose "Copy as DNG" when transferring files from the SD card directly into Lr ?

It's really a personal preference issue, your preferred workflow may differ from mine. Personally I choose "Add", since I've already put them in named folders before importing. Others use LR to catalog their photos, which would lead to one of the other options.

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Jul 7, 2018 10:22:32   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
FiddleMaker wrote:
Inside Lightroom I simply create subject specific folders and my imported images go there.


This kind of defeats the purpose of Lightroom's excellent catalog. The point is you don't have to create a subject-based folder system. You may find that a chronological system is best for organizational reasons. What do you do when a subject can be part of more than one folder in your system? Do you create multiple copies of the image? Here is an example - you go on a trip, you visit museums, a nature/landscape area, shoot some people, and you go to an outdoor concert. Do you put the images in a folder named descriptively for the place(s) you visited, do you put some of the images in a folder called museums, another called landscapes, another called street photography - etc etc etc.

Lightroom gives you a myriad of organizational tools to let you work with a single copy of each image, but you can have any image become part of a number of different collections - virtual groupings of images aggregated by subject. You also have keywords, which can be hierarchical, virtual copies in the event you have multiple editing approaches for a specific image like a color image and a black and white of the same image, etc etc etc.

It's best for you to explore the capabilities of the new software than to ignore them and continue to use a less efficient system because it is familiar to you.

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Jul 7, 2018 10:54:24   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
FiddleMaker wrote:
My concern is only with the marsh grass in the foreground of the attached images.

Image #1 is a JPEG from my Fuji X-T2 but this image has been slightly edited using the abbreviated photo editor that comes with Windows10. I used the œEnhancement feature with the slider set to a default value of 50.

Image #2 is a Raw(RAF) file from the X-T2 that has been processed with Lightroom Classic CC that I just subscribed to a few days ago.
Why does the marsh grass in Image #1 look so much more realistic than the same grass in Image #2 ? Note how sharp and clear the blades of grass appear in Image #1.

Image #3 is a JPEG straight-out-of-camera, no editing but a tad under exposed.

The overall sharpness is far better with Image #1 using the Windows10 photo editor but I would have expected the same sharpness from Lr Classic CC but that is clearly not the case. I do have the option of editing in Photoshop but I know nothing (yet) about working with Ps.
Does anyone have any ideas as to why I am seeing such a huge difference in the sharpness quality of the 2 images in question ?

I may have to return to this same marsh area this fall and repeat this session using my D750 and then compare the results from the 2 cameras.
My concern is only with the marsh grass in the for... (show quote)


You are not crazy, and the advice from other non-Fuji users, while well-intentioned, is completely wrong. The XTrans processor produces raw files that are known to cause problems with Lightroom, especially with details. They get clumped together - users sometimes refer to it as the "watercolor" effect.

Some have great success pre-processing raf files using Iridient's X-Transformer to convert the raf files to Lightroom-compliant dng files.

http://www.iridientdigital.com/products/xtransformer.html

These converted files will retain all the good things the Fuji camera records, and you can then edit the images to a better result in Lightroom. Without the converter, Xtrans raf files look like junk. So yes, it makes perfect sense to "pre-treat" your raf files before editing in LR.

Also, try exposing to the right -with the Fuji. You may notice that you can really push the highlights and still recover them - as much as 2-3 stops. You will get a sense of how much you can overexpose the highlights and still recover stuff - even from the jpegs. The Fuji is one of the few cameras I feel comfortable shooting just jpegs - despite the fact that I shoot everything else raw. The jpegs have lots of optical correction, loads of highlight detail and distortion correction, to make them as good if not better than editing the raw file.

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Jul 7, 2018 10:55:18   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
FiddleMaker wrote:
Should I choose "Copy as DNG" when transferring files from the SD card directly into Lr ?


If you're not already using DNG, I would recommend against making a switch to that format without first making a detailed investigation of this format and defining your own specific purpose(s) to make that change. This can quickly digress to a filter vs no filter expression of personal opinions. Your own investigation of the benefits against your personal processing needs, both the actual and theoretical, is needed to make your own decision.

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Jul 7, 2018 13:46:05   #
FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA
 
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
It's really a personal preference issue, your preferred workflow may differ from mine. Personally I choose "Add", since I've already put them in named folders before importing. Others use LR to catalog their photos, which would lead to one of the other options.

As it stands now, I use "Add" for the reason you mention - they are already in named folders before importing.

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Jul 7, 2018 14:34:04   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
FiddleMaker wrote:
As it stands now, I use "Add" for the reason you mention - they are already in named folders before importing.

But as stated previously by one or more of the others, it's really wasting one of Lightroom strongest features, that being the virtual limitless ability to catalog and cross-reference without duplicating files. I hope to change my workflow to take advantage of this element someday, but it will be an "off-season" project.

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Jul 7, 2018 15:39:14   #
FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA
 
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
But as stated previously by one or more of the others, it's really wasting one of Lightroom strongest features, that being the virtual limitless ability to catalog and cross-reference without duplicating files. I hope to change my workflow to take advantage of this element someday, but it will be an "off-season" project.

Actually, I should have all my images in my Lightroom Raw Images folder inside Lightroom - all 4,000+ images and then use key words to select the ones I want. I think this is how it is supposed to work. So by having at least 200 sub-folders inside my Lr Raw Images folder, I don't need to take advantage of Key words because my subject images are all in specific folders. But I set up the present system back in 2015 when I was just starting out in Lightroom and knew nothing about it. But I have picked up a few tips in the past 3+ years.

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Jul 7, 2018 15:44:31   #
FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA
 
Gene51 wrote:
This kind of defeats the purpose of Lightroom's excellent catalog. The point is you don't have to create a subject-based folder system. You may find that a chronological system is best for organizational reasons. What do you do when a subject can be part of more than one folder in your system? Do you create multiple copies of the image? Here is an example - you go on a trip, you visit museums, a nature/landscape area, shoot some people, and you go to an outdoor concert. Do you put the images in a folder named descriptively for the place(s) you visited, do you put some of the images in a folder called museums, another called landscapes, another called street photography - etc etc etc.

Lightroom gives you a myriad of organizational tools to let you work with a single copy of each image, but you can have any image become part of a number of different collections - virtual groupings of images aggregated by subject. You also have keywords, which can be hierarchical, virtual copies in the event you have multiple editing approaches for a specific image like a color image and a black and white of the same image, etc etc etc.

It's best for you to explore the capabilities of the new software than to ignore them and continue to use a less efficient system because it is familiar to you.
This kind of defeats the purpose of Lightroom's ex... (show quote)

Gene, Inside my Lightroom Library, I have a folder I named: “Lightroom RAW Images” which has 4037 images. But inside this folder I must have 200 subject specific folders, such as Vacation 2015, Vacation 2018, Birds, Cats, Kitttery Maine Visit, etc….. But I think if I took advantage of key words, I would not need all these individual subject specific folders because a key word search would find what I want very quickly. I would just need the one folder in my Lightroom Library. Not sure if I have this correct.

I set up this system back in 2015 when I purchased the stand-alone disc version of Lightroom 5. So I have been using this version until last Monday when I upgraded to Lightroom Classic CC for $10 a month.
So, if I need to go back to “Christmas 2015”, I just arrow down in the Lr Library and pick out the image from that “Christmas 2015” folder. So I don’t need to use key words as I have all these specific folders. I presume this is not the best way to organize my images. But at the time it made sense.

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Jul 7, 2018 16:07:09   #
FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA
 
Gene51 wrote:
You are not crazy, and the advice from other non-Fuji users, while well-intentioned, is completely wrong. The XTrans processor produces raw files that are known to cause problems with Lightroom, especially with details. They get clumped together - users sometimes refer to it as the "watercolor" effect.

Some have great success pre-processing raf files using Iridient's X-Transformer to convert the raf files to Lightroom-compliant dng files.

http://www.iridientdigital.com/products/xtransformer.html

These converted files will retain all the good things the Fuji camera records, and you can then edit the images to a better result in Lightroom. Without the converter, Xtrans raf files look like junk. So yes, it makes perfect sense to "pre-treat" your raf files before editing in LR.

Also, try exposing to the right -with the Fuji. You may notice that you can really push the highlights and still recover them - as much as 2-3 stops. You will get a sense of how much you can overexpose the highlights and still recover stuff - even from the jpegs. The Fuji is one of the few cameras I feel comfortable shooting just jpegs - despite the fact that I shoot everything else raw. The jpegs have lots of optical correction, loads of highlight detail and distortion correction, to make them as good if not better than editing the raw file.
You are not crazy, and the advice from other non-F... (show quote)


Gene, you present some good advice - info that I am not aware of. I really need to take your advice. Yes, my Fuji X-T2 does spit out some really high quality JPEGS. I set up both the Fuji X-T2 and the D750 to record both RAW and JPEG with the same shutter release. Now that I have a current version of Lightroom Classic CC I now can process RAW(RAF) files from the Fuji. Could not do this prior to last Monday because my old, outdated Lr5 could not read Fuji RAF files. So I had no choice but to rely on the JPEGs. Any editing was done using the freebie photo editor that comes with Windows10. Of course the iMac users have no idea what I am talking about since obviously they are not using Windows.

About 2 weeks ago I had the option to switch to an iMac but instead I chose to stay with this new Dell 27-inch 4K computer with Windows10 only because I am too damn old to learn an entirely different OS. Not only that I would need to buy a lot Apple compatible software such as Quicken for Mac, etc. But I must say this new Dell is far better than the Dell that I had to retire (but I still have). ~FiddleMaker

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