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Jul 7, 2018 08:24:53   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
"I think you would have been able to accomplish this with a jpg as well."

In total agreement.

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Jul 7, 2018 08:35:26   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
Raw photos give you greater latitude in processing as they contain more data to work with. A JPG is already processed to some extent in the camera and has less data to work with.

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Jul 7, 2018 09:04:30   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
AlexS wrote:
I do not do a lot of post processing but I do like the flexibility that RAW files offer. When in Sedona my wife and I took a Pink Jeep tour of the National Forest. It was very four wheel drive, bumpy, rugged and also beautiful. No tripods but the driver would stop on occasion for photo ops. Not a lot of time to compose and very easy to over/under expose so it was very similar to drive by shooting.

The first photo is what I shot, the second was the result of a little bit of straightening and processing in Lightroom. Ended up getting a nice memory shot that, if I had been shooting jpeg only, might have missed.
I do not do a lot of post processing but I do like... (show quote)


You did a great job processing this photo, and saving what might have been a lost shot. This is a very good example of the benefits of shooting in raw.
Steve

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Jul 7, 2018 11:08:44   #
Sally D
 
Great job. I really don’t understand why so many people seem to be opposed to raw if they are going to process anyway. If you don’t plan to process then jpeg is the way to go. I love the extra flexibility raw gives me.

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Jul 7, 2018 11:54:10   #
ltj123 Loc: NW Wisconsin
 
Nice update, but RAW and JPEG can be updated about the same, just takes the "art part" of photography.
I updated several older JPEG with Luminar when it worked for me (last update would not allow export) anyway had about same results I see on your updates.

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Jul 7, 2018 12:11:34   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
fourg1b2006 wrote:
I think you would have been able to accomplish this with a jpg as well.


Possibly similar, but unlikely just as good. There would have been more noise in the details recovered from the shadows with a jpeg. And most standalone denoiser programs, or denoiser features in programs like Lightroom, tend to get better results with raw files. One of the big advantages of raw over jpeg, is it's ability to be manipulated in postprocessing with less noise and fewer artifacts. This is especially noticable when images are cropped.

While jpegs can often be successfully edited in post, once saved they are destructive edits and you can't undo what you've done unless you have a backup copy and start over from scratch. With raw files, which are non destructive, modifications and additional tweaks to your raw files can be made at any time without having to start over and no loss of image quality. The superiority of raw images is a result of their additional data and greater latitude when adjusting in post.

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Jul 7, 2018 12:12:39   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Sally D wrote:
Great job. I really don’t understand why so many people seem to be opposed to raw if they are going to process anyway. If you don’t plan to process then jpeg is the way to go. I love the extra flexibility raw gives me.


Yep!

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Jul 7, 2018 12:15:33   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
ltj123 wrote:
Nice update, but RAW and JPEG can be updated about the same, just takes the "art part" of photography.
I updated several older JPEG with Luminar when it worked for me (last update would not allow export) anyway had about same results I see on your updates.

While I don't want to get into an argument over this with you, that's really a stretch. The devil, as they say, is in the details. Raw is a superior format for post processing.

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Jul 7, 2018 12:18:57   #
Smudgey Loc: Ohio, Calif, Now Arizona
 
fourg1b2006 wrote:
I think you would have been able to accomplish this with a jpg as well.


Not at all.

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Jul 7, 2018 12:26:41   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Raw must be cooked They have none of the in-camera edits applied that jpg's display - including contrast, saturation, sharpening. Raw files also contain more information, making it possible - to a point - to pull details from shadows or lighter areas that jpg's can't display (dynamic range). White balance is also not fixed, so very easy to change, especially fun when doing "playful pp."

Raw editing software comes with most cameras that have raw capability, but the "big guys" are Lightroom and Photoshop. I use PS Elements.

To the OP: would you want to outline the steps you did in LR to achieve the details in the shadows? Beautiful work, beautiful scene!
Raw must be cooked img src="https://static.uglyhe... (show quote)


I think you might have added the JPEG files are subsets of the information in a raw file with the rest of the information permanently thrown away. A raw file contains all the shooting information when an image was captured. A jpeg does not contain a significant amount of that shooting information, which is why raw files can be edited more successfully and with better results. I'm always amazed by those who think there is no advantage to raw files in post processing. Those of us who post process most of our images know that isn't true.

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Jul 7, 2018 14:33:27   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
ELNikkor wrote:
When I've tried this in jpeg, the dark parts would have looked very grainy and contrasty, RAW really can make it more like your eye remembers it. Great photo!

I think RAW does give you what your eye remembers because there is no algorhythmic processing involved. Just the ones and zeros of each pixel. Not to say that the human mind doesn't alter what it actually sees to be what it wants to see! Nevertheless, the RAW image is what was there, then.

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Jul 7, 2018 19:17:53   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
Good work on the PP.

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Jul 7, 2018 20:10:04   #
joel.photography
 
fourg1b2006 wrote:
I think you would have been able to accomplish this with a jpg as well.


Probably not, but why would you want to?

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Jul 7, 2018 22:33:05   #
ltj123 Loc: NW Wisconsin
 
joel.photography wrote:
Probably not, but why would you want to?


Because you can

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Jul 7, 2018 23:33:19   #
kay55 Loc: NE Ohio
 
nice job AlexS, the picture really came out nice after processing, I have decided my next camera will be able to shoot in RAW. Thanks for sharing.

cdayton, I like your version too!

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