rpavich Loc: West Virginia

Interesting but wrong.

There was no Big Bang.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

No it couldn't. The big bang is an idea to try and explain the existence of everything without invoking God's creation.

God explained how He did it in detail and none of it involves a big bang or long time scales.

photophile Loc: Lakewood, Ohio, USA

That's why I take landscapes and animals, too!

photophile Loc: Lakewood, Ohio, USA

Love the iris!

DaveYoung

You missed my point! Science has no way to explain how the universe started but they do claim to have found evidence of a big explosion and matter and light suddenly appeared and began to rapidly expand. I believe in science enough to wonder if they may have been able to find signs of this. Many find it to be unbelievable that a higher being could have started this. I try to find ways in which science and the Bible can find common ground. I càn only imagine what it would look like in a world of shapeless darkness when God says "Let there be light". Sounds like a very big bang to me, only I give all the credit and glory to an Almighty God. Much easier for me to believe than that it just happened.

Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak

I believe, whether or not there was some sort of "big bang," that all of this was and is God's handiwork. His word is clear on that. What is also clear is that all we know and can surmise is that He did it. How He did it, or what occurred when He did it, is inconsequential. It's only important to accept in faith that God created the heavens and the earth. That man can offer up no logical explanation as to how all this came into being seems to me to be good reason that God is the creator. Pretty hard to accept that all of this could have just happened by accident or chance.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

True.

And it's an attempt to explain creation without God. It bears no reseblence to the actual act of creation that God has given us.



Science is a discipline. Men use it.

Why is it so hard to believe what God has said over men's fallible ideas? (that change with each generation)



There is none. (if you mean trying to mix stuff like the big bang and God's account of creation)

You can't do that...stop it.

God is authoritative, God has spoken. That should be enough for a Christian.


Where men doing science agree with God...great! They are on the right track.





Except that that's not what God said.

What if you had been born in a different era and the current popular theory was not the big bag but some other made up thing...would you try and mix that with what the bible says?

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

[quote=Wingpilot]I believe, whether or not there was some sort of "big bang," that all of this was and is God's handiwork. [quote]

That's a problem. For a Christian...trying to mix man's fallible ideas with God's holy word is a problem. It's a question of authority.



It IS clear...so why try and mix a big bang with it?



No...no need to surmise...He said He did it. We believe it.



Wrong...wrong in so many ways.

It IS important that we believe God's word right down to the last dotted i or crossed t.

What other part of the bible do you say that about?

"...it's not important that Jesus rose like He said He did...that's inconsequential...what IS important is that it happened"

Why if you wouldn't do that would you do that with any other portion of God's word?


Did a donkey talk?

God said it did.

Did an Axehead float on water?

God said that they did.


Non-Christian scientists say that's impossible.


Are you going to try and mix that too?

Can you see the issue with this approach?





What if next week they did...do you reject God because there is no a logical explanation?

We believe God because He said so. Because He's the authority and cannot lie. He's the only one who was there.



Millions of people do...

Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak

i think you may have missed my point. I'm not suggesting that anything, other than what God says, occurred. What I am saying is that the only important thing is believing that He did it. The details aren't a consideration in that. What matters is that He did it, not how. Man strives ardently to be in control, to logically explain everything, and becomes increasingly frustrated when he can't. Yet science supports the Bible in so many ways.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

I don't think I did. I think what you go on to say illustrates that.



And I'm correcting you. It's not only important that people believe that He DID do it but HOW he did it as well. He does say how He did it specifically and we (as Christians) are to believe His account down to the last details.



But they are...100% they are.



Once again...wrong.

What matters is that God is the authority over our thinking and reasoning too. He said how things happened...we are bound to believe Him.



Real science supports the bible 100% of the time. God's word is 100% true and accurate. If people say otherwise they are in error.

I'm sorry to keep repeating this but it IS important to believe ALL of what God's word says and YES...to believe the details too.

Proudly proclaim the truth! God created everything in 6 days (normal...24 hour days) and did it about 6000 years go. No reason to shrink away from that truth.

Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak

Well, I won't debate this. God's word also tells us not to wrangle over His words. You have your opinion, and you are entitled to it. Let's just enjoy His Omnicience and Holiness and be glad in His grace and mercy.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

I hope not. I'd hope you take God at his word.



Where? I've read the bible through a few times but never have I notice that passage. Can you point it out (I'm being serious)



I do but I'd implore you one more time...it's important to represent His word as truth. If you don't, then you need to repent. God is concerned with truth, so should we be.

It appears that God's word isn't your ultimate authority for your thinking...I would pray that that changes.

Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak

I think you are way out of line here. Do not judge me!! I don't know you and you don't know me, so at this point I suggest you keep your opinion to yourself. I posted a photo for all to enjoy, not to encourage meaningless speculation regarding ones faith basis. Time to end this nonsense.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

I only know what you've said publicly of course and I won't shy away from correcting that.

Sorry, that's not going to happen.

It also wasn't meaningless speculation, it was an admonition to believe God's word...I can't believe that's even a point of contention for a professing Christian.

I say we should believe God's word over science and you think that's "meaningless speculation"....unbelievable.


PS: The "wrangling" you mentioned is from 2 Timothy 2:14 where Paul is admonishing Timothy against the false teachers and their systems and sucking people in with false teachings. It's actually aimed AT the false teachers themselves.
It isn't about a believer telling another to believe God's word as his/her ultimate authority.

Just FYI for next time on that one.

Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak

My last post on this--You have a lot of nerve using a public forum to question my faith and what I believe. I resent that. You have absolutely no idea where I stand, and to use this forum to assert some sort of spiritual superiority is self-serving. I'm sure it doesn't impress others who may be viewing this thread. I'm sorry I replied to anything you've said here. I don't expect a response from you, and I'm requesting that admin close this thread.