Comparison of sRGB and "improved" Display P3 in showing colors when posted on UHH.
Look at them as thumbnails and then as downloads to see if there is any real difference and which you prefer.
1. sRGB of nearly monotone image
2. Display P3 of #1
3. sRGB many colors
4. Display P3 of #3
5. sRGB dark subject
6. Display P3 of #5
7. sRGB fine detail
8. Display P3 of #7
9. sRGB dark with fine detail
10. Display P3 of #9
Where are you going with this? If your camera (rather than maybe your iPhone) doesn't capture in P3 and your software doesn't output / export to P3, where are you going with this? Given it's the device that handles P3, why would you create P3 images for online sharing in the hope some / most / any people that view your image will be using an Apple device and a browser that both support the P3 color space? Where are you going with this? For those that download the images and see a difference locally on their device, what actions have the taken specifically related to P3?
For those that download the images and see nothing, where are you going with this?
CHG_CANON wrote:
Where are you going with this? If your camera (rather than maybe your iPhone) doesn't capture in P3 and your software doesn't output / export to P3, where are you going with this? Given it's the device that handles P3, why would you create P3 images for online sharing in the hope some / most / any people that view your image will be using an Apple device and a browser that both support the P3 color space? Where are you going with this? For those that download the images and see a difference locally on their device, what actions have the taken specifically related to P3?
For those that download the images and see nothing, where are you going with this?
Where are you going with this? If your camera (rat... (
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I don't take photos with any type of phone, let alone an iPhone. I don't use any "i" products or Mac. And my cameras are set for the highest end color space available on their internal menu even though 99+% of my shots are in RAW to begin with.
Display P3 is an "improved" version of sRGB and is one of the color space choices in LR "export". I keep all my images in DNG and change to sRGB for posting. This is my trial of Display P3 as an export color space.
People have been complaining forever about color shifts and image IQ on UHH (other sites I tried were worse) and needing to download to see real colors.
I read a couple of articles about the differences and decided to post some comparisons of different types of subjects ie colors, fine detail, dark subjects etc etc. and put them up with download so people could decide if the downloads look better and if the thumb nails with Display P3 are better than those with sRGB or not. The article said there is a difference even on non Mac displays and claimed it is better color. So the point here is: did it make a difference and is the result better?
And it killed about an hour worth of time while I work up courage to do some gardening on a sunny day in the 90s.
robertjerl wrote:
I don't take photos with any type of phone, let alone an iPhone. I don't use any "i" products or Mac. And my cameras are set for the highest end color space available on their internal menu even though 99+% of my shots are in RAW to begin with.
Display P3 is an "improved" version of sRGB and is one of the color space choices in LR "export". I keep all my images in DNG and change to sRGB for posting. This is my trial of Display P3 as an export color space.
People have been complaining forever about color shifts and image IQ on UHH (other sites I tried were worse) and needing to download to see real colors.
I read a couple of articles about the differences and decided to post some comparisons of different types of subjects ie colors, fine detail, dark subjects etc etc. and put them up with download so people could decide if the downloads look better and if the thumb nails with Display P3 are better than those with sRGB or not. The article said there is a difference even on non Mac displays and claimed it is better color. So the point here is: did it make a difference and is the result better?
And it killed about an hour worth of time while I work up courage to do some gardening on a sunny day in the 90s.
I don't take photos with any type of phone, let al... (
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Alas, on my Chrome, W10, Dell display, the images make no viewing difference, not in the UHH thumbnails nor in the downloaded files when viewed from the harddrive outside Chrome. Can you link in a discussion that points to improved images on a non Apple / non P3 display? My quick research pointed toward reverting to sRGB if the browser / hardware doesn't support P3 but can convert to sRGB which may be why there's no viewing difference on my end. BTW1, DNG is a file format, not a colorspace. BTW2, the RAW file is colorspace independent. It doesn't matter what value you select in the camera menu for colorspace for RAW. It's the image editor that converts the RAW data to a colorspace as configured in the editing software.
REF "complaining forever about color shifts", I've been involved in two recent questions about thumbnails where sRGB was not used by the photographer when creating the image file they posted to UHH. That's on the photographer, not the website nor the browser nor the display device.
My personal opinion as of now is when exported from RAW/DNG it makes no difference. But if you export from a JPEG created with sRGB then the Display P3 does make a slight shift, most colors get a tad brighter. This may be just my imagination except on very light colors to begin with. Some colors in the yellow range seem to get a little flatter.
Over all it doesn't seem to be worth making a change. But I put it up to see if anyone disagrees with me. Esp anyone using different computer gear and displays than I use. Maybe which color space will depend on who I am sending it to and what they use????
On my Mac I find the colors of sRGB are slightly richer in color, and I can see that without downloading with the exception of the shot of the egret; I could not tell the difference, and I did download those, but that did not help. BTW, great shots!
[quote=CHG_CANON]Alas, on my Chrome, W10, Dell display, the images make no viewing difference, not in the UHH thumbnails nor in the downloaded files when viewed from the harddrive outside Chrome. Can you link in a discussion that points to improved images on a non Apple / non P3 display? Sorry, no, I read the articles while just browsing through various photo sites and never bookmarked any or kept a record of where they were. I sometimes spend hours reading and going from link to link without making any bookmarks or notes. Just killing time and grazing bits and pieces of a subject line and where it leads me. My quick research pointed toward reverting to sRGB if the browser / hardware doesn't support P3 but can convert to sRGB which may be why there's no viewing difference on my end. BTW1, DNG is a file format, not a colorspace (I know that what I should have typed is "...in DNG and convert to JPEG/sRGB for posting). BTW2, the RAW file is colorspace independent Again, I know that, I said: "And my cameras are set for the highest end color space available on their internal menu even though 99+% of my shots are in RAW to begin with." the meaning being that the color space setting is for the 1% I don't shoot in RAW. It doesn't matter what value you select in the camera menu for colorspace for RAW. It's the image editor that converts the RAW data to a colorspace as configured in the editing software.
REF "complaining forever about color shifts", I've been involved in two recent questions about thumbnails where sRGB was not used by the photographer when creating the image file they posted to UHH. That's on the photographer, not the website nor the browser nor the display device... So, I need to keep score and count how many times I have seen complaints in the over 4 years I have been on this forum?
Sirius_one wrote:
On my Mac I find the colors of sRGB are slightly richer in color, and I can see that without downloading with the exception of the shot of the egret; I could not tell the difference, and I did download those, but that did not help. BTW, great shots!
Yeah, that is my results also. I posted this to see if it is just me/my computer monitor combo or something that is real. I mean the Display P3 or just P3, whatever it is called is supposed to be "improved" over the sRGB. And the article I read mentioned nothing about needing special gear to see the "improved" format.
Thanks for the "BTW, great shots! I have posted all these before and picked them just because I had already done the PP and posted good looking JPEGs in sRGB.
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