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Jun 20, 2018 07:42:10   #
dreamon
 
LarryFitz wrote:
Post processing has always been a part of photography. I don't believe that Life magazine used photos as developed at the drug store. PP is just one element to making a finished product.



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Jun 20, 2018 07:44:15   #
Pablo8 Loc: Nottingham UK.
 
jaymatt wrote:
Excellent advice.


What excellent advice???? You did not Quote the reply, so how are WE to know what is excellent??

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Jun 20, 2018 07:48:23   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
joer wrote:
To validate my point, go to at any quality photo site and look at the very best images. They did not come straight out of the camera.


True, but the old line about the silk purse and the sow's ear still holds true. You can have perfect focus and great colors in an uninteresting photo, and it won't be very good. You have to start with the right scene and good composition. As far as I'm concerned, composition is key.

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Jun 20, 2018 08:18:22   #
srt101fan
 
jerryc41 wrote:
True, but the old line about the silk purse and the sow's ear still holds true. You can have perfect focus and great colors in an uninteresting photo, and it won't be very good. You have to start with the right scene and good composition. As far as I'm concerned, composition is key.


Well said, Jerry. Am a little confused though about your comment re "composition". Are you saying composition is more important than subject ("right scene"), or does your definition of composition include the subject, as it seems to for many on this forum.

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Jun 20, 2018 08:51:02   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
Good comment. Some unfortunately think that the only use of PP is to fix sloppy photos. In my opinion these folks never use PP nor have the inclination or ability to learn the basics of it,just happy with snapshots.



joer wrote:
I never once mentioned sloppy technique.

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Jun 20, 2018 08:58:28   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
Pablo8 wrote:
What excellent advice???? You did not Quote the reply, so how are WE to know what is excellent??


Since I didn’t quote anyone else, it should be obvious that I was referring to the original post.

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Jun 20, 2018 09:10:44   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
tdekany wrote:
To me at least, the end product is the only thing that matters.

If you think that post processing is the most important part of photography, you need some education. No amount of PP is going to fix a snapshot.




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Jun 20, 2018 09:11:05   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
joer wrote:
Its not the gear or the photographer, although each plays an important role, as do other factors. These are concepts left over from the film era.

In today's digital era of advanced software its the post processing that plays the most important role. Skillful use of modern editors can make up for and improve just about any photographic characteristic of the digital image, including composition.

Put the aside the technical data and charts for they are irrelevant and view the industry insider opinions with a jaundiced eye. Ultimately if you want to raise the level of your photography invest the time in learning a good photo editor.

To validate my point, go to at any quality photo site and look at the very best images. They did not come straight out of the camera.
Its not the gear or the photographer, although eac... (show quote)


It can only enhance GOOD photos. PP cannot compensate for humdrum subjects, flat lighting, and uninteresting shooting angle.

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Jun 20, 2018 09:11:10   #
srt101fan
 
jaymatt wrote:
Since I didn’t quote anyone else, it should be obvious that I was referring to the original post.


Not to be ornery, John, but I don't think it's obvious. Also, it's a lot easier to read/re-read the original post if you quote it than for the reader to go find it at the beginning of the thread....

My 2 cents...

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Jun 20, 2018 09:21:53   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ditto: "I think the best use of post processing isn't correcting errors from sloppy technique, it's taking images that are the best they can be out of the camera, and making them even better."
JohnSwanda wrote:
I am a big fan of post processing, and have improved many photos with it. But you can rarely make a good photo out of a lousy one. Errors in exposure can be improved, but if you blow your highlights you can't get them back. Missed focus or inadequate DOF can't be fixed. If you are shooting action and you miss the peak action, that can't be fixed. If you are shooting people, lousy expressions can't be fixed. I'm not sure how you can improve composition except by cropping, and that won't always help. I think the best use of post processing isn't correcting errors from sloppy technique, it's taking images that are the best they can be out of the camera, and making them even better.
I am a big fan of post processing, and have improv... (show quote)

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Jun 20, 2018 09:22:06   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
sodapop wrote:
Good comment. Some unfortunately think that the only use of PP is to fix sloppy photos. In my opinion these folks never use PP nor have the inclination or ability to learn the basics of it,just happy with snapshots.


Could you please define again what is a snap shot

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Jun 20, 2018 09:48:17   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
srt101fan wrote:
Not to be ornery, John, but I don't think it's obvious. Also, it's a lot easier to read/re-read the original post if you quote it than for the reader to go find it at the beginning of the thread....

My 2 cents...


Point taken.

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Jun 20, 2018 10:26:33   #
Paladin48 Loc: Orlando
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
I am a big fan of post processing, and have improved many photos with it. But you can rarely make a good photo out of a lousy one. Errors in exposure can be improved, but if you blow your highlights you can't get them back. Missed focus or inadequate DOF can't be fixed. If you are shooting action and you miss the peak action, that can't be fixed. If you are shooting people, lousy expressions can't be fixed. I'm not sure how you can improve composition except by cropping, and that won't always help. I think the best use of post processing isn't correcting errors from sloppy technique, it's taking images that are the best they can be out of the camera, and making them even better.
I am a big fan of post processing, and have improv... (show quote)



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Jun 20, 2018 10:29:02   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
joer wrote:
Actually I disagree. An expert retoucher may very well turn an average image to a spectacular one. Education is a good thing and perhaps you should do likewise.

Show us you images.


Only if you didn’t know what you were talking about, would you think that an average image can be turned into a spectacular one.

Btw, my images are in my signature. On the other hand, I don’t need to see yours to know that you are most likely a snapshot shooter. I am one for sure but at least I understand what makes a photo spectacular. I really don’t thing that you do.

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Jun 20, 2018 10:40:58   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
joer wrote:
Actually I disagree. An expert retoucher may very well turn an average image to a spectacular one. Education is a good thing and perhaps you should do likewise.

Show us you images.


Can you show us any images to support YOUR assertion? If so, please enlighten us.

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