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Jun 19, 2018 17:28:06   #
wayne-03 Loc: Minnesota
 
Photographer this girl a couple weeks ago. She insisted on being out in direct sun. First two were in open shade, the rest were in direct sun.


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Jun 19, 2018 19:34:24   #
Joe Blow
 
#4 for the win. I also like #5 with #6 not far behind. #3 is very good too.

You used the sunlight well. Shadows on the face give depth, making them more dimensional.

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Jun 20, 2018 06:44:08   #
CO
 
These are really well done. Photo #2 is my favorite. I like how you placed her off to the left side and had some space on the right side - the direction she's facing. The light is not harsh in that photo either although the reflections from her lip gloss is excessive.

For me, the light in the direct sun shots is too harsh and are is producing hard shadows. I sometimes wait until some clouds move in front of the sun to help diffuse the sunlight some.

I would try to not have her so centered in the photos. I would try to use the rule of thirds and move her off to one side with more space on the side she's facing.

She's really good at modeling. She knows what to do with her hands also. Many models don't know what to do with their hands and it ends up being awkward. She's great at modeling.

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Jun 20, 2018 10:11:13   #
Naptown Gaijin
 
Good use of hands, good model, 1 and 2 look artificial due to way too much makeup especially lip gloss. Less makeup and a smaller hairdo might enhance her portfolio.

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Jun 21, 2018 12:18:53   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Hey Wayne- thanks for posting- theses are very interesting images for discussion here in this section. Under the circumstances you did a good job but let's talk about those circumstances.

As an advanced portrait photographer you need to take control of many aspects of each session in order to do you best work for the client/subject. Theses aspects are time, place lighting, costume, camera position and angle as well as makeup and hairstyle consideration- you need to make some strong suggestions with logical reasons for the client to understand what you are going to accomplish and enlist their cooperation.

You subject is very attractive, has great facial features, and absolutely lovely skin tone and color. Oftentimes, people of color have had poorly crafted pictures made where their skin tone was too dark, lackluster, lacking in detail, usually due to faulty exposure, bad lighting and inferior printing. This may be the reason for her wanting to be photographed in bright sunlight. You did a good job on the exposure so her skin tone is fine in all the images in both soft and hard light!

Sunlight- Direct sunlight needn't be unusable or inappropriate for portraiture- it mostly has to do with the direction of light at various times of day. Usually, in the later part of the afternoon, the sun is low enough to act as a “portrait” light, whereby you can move the subject into a position where you can create classical lighting patterns as you would in a studio situation. You can actually create broad or short lighting and simulate butterfly, modified butterfly, Rembrandt, split and kicker lighting. With a simple reflector or properly balanced flash fill you can control contrast via light ratio and make certain shadows are somewhat transparent.

Of course, open shade on a sunny day is easier to use but can oftentimes be a bit flat so you may want to consider SUBTRACTIVE LIGHTING, that is shading one side of the subject with a gobo (black flag) to introduce shadow and block lighting from directly overhead. Sometimes an overhang such as a porch will provide natural subtractive lighting. Another alternative method is to work in open shade and the pump in sunlight via a reflector- again various lighting forms can be effected.

Costume: The colorful and white garments in the shots are pretty and attractive, however, for a classic portrait perhaps they may be too attractive to the viewer's eye. A darker solid shade or a muted print would bring out her incredible skin tone and lead the viewer to her facial features. Again, there is a misconception that folks with darker skin and hair should wear bright colors . When you have a good ratio and ample shadow detail, darker can clothing make for dramatic imagery.

If you were shooting later in the day, you might have been able to effect short lighting with would be better for her facial structure. Unfortunately in some of the shots the lighting has caused distracting shadows from her eyelashes across her face. The “butterfly shadow” under her nose indicated just about high noon light- extremely difficult to control. This lighting tends to widen her face.

Her hairstyle is fine- it's her LOOK! The makeup, however, should have been much more subtle and toned down. YOUNG PEOPLE! I explain that extremely stylized makeup is what we used to call “night or evening” makeup- cool for going out to the clubs etc. In bright sunlight or any kinda daylight, this kind of application calls too much attention to itself. It ain't the best for photography!

True enough- some of theses kids do want a kinda fashion statement rather that a classical portrait. If that the case, I suggest we do it both ways. It's easier to do the more subtle shots first and the apply the more stylized makeup and change into the colorful clothing afterward.

Of course, in the portrait business the customer does “rule” and sometimes the won't go with good advice. In my on case, I usually do a pretty comprehensive pre-sitting discussion so that we can iron out problems well in advance of the shoot. Sometimes I will even do a few quick test shots at these meeting just to instill confidence in the client. Even in a fairly rough shot, I can allay many fears, issues, misconceptions folks have about their facial features, body style, skin tone etc. Also- when they see the final results in comparison the the first tests- they really appreciate what we have created for them.

Again- I think you have done a fine job under the circumstances. I really appreciate your participation in this section and bringing in some good images for discussion. Please post often!

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Jun 21, 2018 14:19:19   #
wayne-03 Loc: Minnesota
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Hey Wayne- thanks for posting- theses are very interesting images for discussion here in this section. Under the circumstances you did a good job but let's talk about those circumstances.

As an advanced portrait photographer you need to take control of many aspects of each session in order to do you best work for the client/subject. Theses aspects are time, place lighting, costume, camera position and angle as well as makeup and hairstyle consideration- you need to make some strong suggestions with logical reasons for the client to understand what you are going to accomplish and enlist their cooperation.

You subject is very attractive, has great facial features, and absolutely lovely skin tone and color. Oftentimes, people of color have had poorly crafted pictures made where their skin tone was too dark, lackluster, lacking in detail, usually due to faulty exposure, bad lighting and inferior printing. This may be the reason for her wanting to be photographed in bright sunlight. You did a good job on the exposure so her skin tone is fine in all the images in both soft and hard light!

Sunlight- Direct sunlight needn't be unusable or inappropriate for portraiture- it mostly has to do with the direction of light at various times of day. Usually, in the later part of the afternoon, the sun is low enough to act as a “portrait” light, whereby you can move the subject into a position where you can create classical lighting patterns as you would in a studio situation. You can actually create broad or short lighting and simulate butterfly, modified butterfly, Rembrandt, split and kicker lighting. With a simple reflector or properly balanced flash fill you can control contrast via light ratio and make certain shadows are somewhat transparent.

Of course, open shade on a sunny day is easier to use but can oftentimes be a bit flat so you may want to consider SUBTRACTIVE LIGHTING, that is shading one side of the subject with a gobo (black flag) to introduce shadow and block lighting from directly overhead. Sometimes an overhang such as a porch will provide natural subtractive lighting. Another alternative method is to work in open shade and the pump in sunlight via a reflector- again various lighting forms can be effected.

Costume: The colorful and white garments in the shots are pretty and attractive, however, for a classic portrait perhaps they may be too attractive to the viewer's eye. A darker solid shade or a muted print would bring out her incredible skin tone and lead the viewer to her facial features. Again, there is a misconception that folks with darker skin and hair should wear bright colors . When you have a good ratio and ample shadow detail, darker can clothing make for dramatic imagery.

If you were shooting later in the day, you might have been able to effect short lighting with would be better for her facial structure. Unfortunately in some of the shots the lighting has caused distracting shadows from her eyelashes across her face. The “butterfly shadow” under her nose indicated just about high noon light- extremely difficult to control. This lighting tends to widen her face.

Her hairstyle is fine- it's her LOOK! The makeup, however, should have been much more subtle and toned down. YOUNG PEOPLE! I explain that extremely stylized makeup is what we used to call “night or evening” makeup- cool for going out to the clubs etc. In bright sunlight or any kinda daylight, this kind of application calls too much attention to itself. It ain't the best for photography!

True enough- some of theses kids do want a kinda fashion statement rather that a classical portrait. If that the case, I suggest we do it both ways. It's easier to do the more subtle shots first and the apply the more stylized makeup and change into the colorful clothing afterward.

Of course, in the portrait business the customer does “rule” and sometimes the won't go with good advice. In my on case, I usually do a pretty comprehensive pre-sitting discussion so that we can iron out problems well in advance of the shoot. Sometimes I will even do a few quick test shots at these meeting just to instill confidence in the client. Even in a fairly rough shot, I can allay many fears, issues, misconceptions folks have about their facial features, body style, skin tone etc. Also- when they see the final results in comparison the the first tests- they really appreciate what we have created for them.

Again- I think you have done a fine job under the circumstances. I really appreciate your participation in this section and bringing in some good images for discussion. Please post often!
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Everything you say is true, but. I had shoots with two young ladies that they both of which wanted to be middle of the day, bright and sunny. I had a meeting with both girls about four days before the shoots and we discussed how we would go about it. First, it would be about an hour long. Second, they could have two outfits. I had them schedule 2 hours apart. The older lady, Diane, showed up about an hour and a half late with a steamer trunk full of outfits. The end results were that both girls were there at the same time and we were switching between one or the other or both of them. So, I just gave up arguing and took pictures, did my best and got out of there. As you can see from the photo there was some processing problems. The edge of her wig/weave is clearly visible in the photographs and had to be covered up. Even though she had applied a great deal of makeup there were still lots of visible blemishes on the skin that showed up in the pictures, I cleared most of that up with frequency separation.


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