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Jun 15, 2018 11:51:46   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Interesting article on the William Eggleston incident.
https://petapixel.com/2013/03/31/judge-dismisses-lawsuit-against-photog-oks-reprinting-of-limited-edition-pics/

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Jun 15, 2018 13:39:10   #
duane klipping Loc: Bristow iowa
 


Wow the guy paid 250k for a photo of a tricycle. Wonder if he would like to collect some of my snapshots too.

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Jun 15, 2018 13:40:53   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
duane klipping wrote:
Wow the guy paid 250k for a photo of a tricycle. Wonder if he would like to collect some of my snapshots too.


I wonder how much you could get for the pair. I mean the photo and the actual trike.

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Jun 15, 2018 14:16:47   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
duane klipping wrote:
Wow the guy paid 250k for a photo of a tricycle. Wonder if he would like to collect some of my snapshots too.


If you think that is nothing more than a snapshot, then you haven't really looked at it analytically. For example, the content and specific arrangement of the background elements are just as important as the primary subject (the tricycle), giving the image meaning. So does the choice of angle, as well as the color palette. This is no mere snapshot; it is an extremely well thought out image, and highly venerated for good reason.

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Jun 15, 2018 15:52:23   #
BlueMorel Loc: Southwest Michigan
 
Frankly, "limited edition" is just a way of increasing buyer interest - some want to think they're one of the few people that have that print. Ethically I have always felt that if I sold prints in limited editions then I should not ever print that photo again. But I am not nor ever will be a famous artist, so if I sell limited editions it is just a ploy on my part to make the buyer think they're getting something more important to own. (BTW, if you ever buy from me, then ignore this post - just know that my photos are worth more than anyone else's and everyone should strive to own one, LOL.)

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Jun 15, 2018 20:24:58   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Known artists number prints or works of art. For the average "art" person that is just presumptuous. And say you are a "beginner" and you start selling art prints as an unknown at say $25 for say your first several thousand prints of various photos and they were numbered. What to you now do, charge $250 for prints number #100 once you are collectible? Sure print #1 is then most valuable, but what good does that do you? You already sold it. Does not really make sense does it? Limited editions are for REALLY known artist. If then.

And yes, editions, with numbering would be by size.
Known artists number prints or works of art. For ... (show quote)


With modern printers makes no difference the number on the print as they can all be spewed out identically in a few minutes with no additional input or effort.
Far cry from individually crafted darkroom prints.

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Jun 15, 2018 21:51:04   #
BlueMorel Loc: Southwest Michigan
 
Architect1776 wrote:
With modern printers makes no difference the number on the print as they can all be spewed out identically in a few minutes with no additional input or effort.
Far cry from individually crafted darkroom prints.

Good point!

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Jun 15, 2018 22:31:24   #
TonyBot
 
A lot of good responses here. My thoughts are not like the "thousands ... at $25 ... " that Mike used as an example (and I *have* seen a [not so good] photograph numbered #x/1,250!!!), but more of 25 to 100 11x14s paper print, and then *retire* the file - perhaps, at a later date, different enough to really *be* different - such as in a greatly different size or medium. I didn't want to go against "commonly accepted practices".

I completely understand the reason for L/E prints, as was done in wet lab days, or dye-sub, or pulling lithos off of stone, but there are still folk who *want* a L/E print. Someone once said to me: "if this was a numbered print, I'd buy it right away". It won't be really any different - it's the " ... in the eyes of the beholder" argument.

So, basically it all boils down to the integrity of the photographer ...

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Jun 16, 2018 14:57:55   #
Logan1949
 
TonyBot wrote:
What do *you* think? This is to settle a discussion. I hope.

(Please note: this is not about *signing* a print. It is assumed that to be a numbered edition, all prints will be signed.)

If I produce two sizes of the same print, say an 11x14 and a 16x20, and decide that they will be a "limited edition" print, wouldn't *all* of those prints, regardless of size, be numbered sequentially? For example: I make 2 - 11x14s and they would be numbers 1/xx and 2/xx, then I make 5 - 16x20s, then they should be 3/xx through 7/xx, and my next set of prints are 11x14s that would then be starting with 8/xx, etc. ALL prints in that case would add up to the "limited ... " total number. I could *not* have an uninterrupted run of 11x14s and a separate run of 16x20s - each with their own separate numbering sequence?

By extension, this would also include (for example), a paper print, a metal print, and then an acrylic print - all should then be numbered in their order of production in a sequential manner, not separately, and count towards the "#/xx" total?

(And a separate, but similar question: If there is an "artist proof", shouldn't they also be numbered? I have seen someone who would just label them as "AP" with no numbers. I was under the impression that artist proofs would be numbered like "(roman numeral)/x", and be limited to an absolute maximum total of ten, with five be preferable, and even less more desirable. ??? )

Wow! I hope you all understand my question.

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What do *you* think? This is to settle a discuss... (show quote)

No. Printing photographs may be compared to records (CDs or tapes) made of a specific song recorded by a specific artist at a specific place. Different artists may record the same song. If the place changes, or the medium changes, they would be different "editions" in the sense that each difference has its very own copyright. Approximately. Also, sometimes the Certificate of Authenticity which provides provenance of a physical photographic print may often contain language allowing for different sizes or medium formats to be printed from the same digital file as different (numbered) editions which may affect the value of this particular numbered edition.

A word of caution regarding numbered editions. I was watching the 8-part documentary, "The Toys that Made Us", and one of the Star Trek toy makers decided to issue a limited edition of the original Star Trek spaceship, the Enterprise, in order to make a lot of money. That decision killed the collectors market for all of their Star Trek toys because there were so many times that number of collectors who were trying to collect every single Star Trek toy ever made by that company, that when many of them could not buy that particular item, they stopped collecting all of the other Star Trek toys made by that company. But then, the market for those toys, at the time, was thousands or millions of items.

The morale to the story --- If the market for your prints is over the number in your edition, don't kill the market by withholding the buyer's ability to create a complete collection. [P.S. edit: But then, that is where the ability to create a new limited edition in a different size or medium comes in. If you quickly sell out your limited edition of 100, sell a 1000, or 10,000 edition in a different size or medium.]

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