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Jun 15, 2018 07:44:39   #
pila
 
jerryc41 wrote:
A big advantage of digital is being able to take lots of shots. I saw an instructional video from Lynda.com, and the guy emphasized "working the shot." Shoot from various angles with various settings. Film was limiting, and that's not a good thing. With only thirty-six shots per roll, you had to wait, and wait, and wait to get everything just right. Then you had to hope that it turned out right. Don't look on digital's unlimited shooting as something bad. With digital, you still try to get a good shot, but you're not limited in your number of attempts.
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Yes. Digital opens new doors. Different angles. Different perspectives. For practice, I take photos in the mind. Sometimes I just look for light. ISO, f stop, speed, exposure comp, and other factors are fresh points of consideration. Landscape or street. On the street having the advantage of click click is significant. In many ways, digital demands much discipline, thought, and organization. Taking photos since 1958.

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Jun 15, 2018 07:48:50   #
LarryFitz Loc: Beacon NY
 
When I take picture of my granddaughters, I take lots of pictures, they move fast. When, I take pictures of flowers, trees, trains, etc I have some idea what I am going to try before I leave the house.

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Jun 15, 2018 07:57:28   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Something many people have come to appreciate about digital is the fact that it is cheap. Once we put the SD card into the camera we have the freedom to shoot at heart's content. Yes, this is a bad habit like it is believing that matrix, evaluative or multi-pattern metering is the answer to all of our exposure problems.
I for sure am careful of what I shoot and how I shoot it. When I have to use a tripod to improve on my composition it slows me down even more. Good discipline.
In the film era it was not very common to replace the camera shutter. Ask any camera repair technician and he will confirm that shutter replacement is pretty common today.

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Jun 15, 2018 08:32:46   #
pappleg
 
Jerry G wrote:
I shot film years ago and recently renewed my interest in photography. I found the freedom digital has brought to photography has made me lazy. When I shot film I would spend a good deal of effort on each photo, often not taking a shot if I wasn't satisfied, now I just take the shot and a couple more for good measure. I know this is a personal problem but was wondering if others have fallen into the habit of taking shots they are not happy with and what you do while you are shooting to resist being lazy.
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I think it depends on the kind of work one is doing. Digital, especially with faster frames per second, has been a Godsend for sports/action photographers. There is no downside for them to shoot all the way through an action sequence in order to get "peak action". Even landscapers in fast moving light conditions, stormy changing clouds, etc. I see no issues with multiple shots to give "the slob in the darkroom" as they used to say, some choices. I think "laziness" is more a function of failing to explore a particular scene from differing angles, focal length choices, depth of focus and the many other options available. I would agree, however, that digital forces one to become a ruthless editor of ones' own images or suffer photo gridlock as I would call it-an inability to sort out the gems from the mediocre. Shoot away but be persistent about getting rid of the non-keepers.

Pat

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Jun 15, 2018 08:48:04   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
If someone gets that "perfect" picture in one shot and another takes 1000 shots to get that "perfect" one, is one picture better than the other because of how many shots it took? An artist is someone who works with a medium to express themselves, whether it be clay, wood, water colors or a camera. Whether you or I appreciate their artistic endeavor isn't what makes it art. It's what it means to the person who created it. While we might not care for what they created, we should applaud their effort.

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Jun 15, 2018 09:11:25   #
mallen1330 Loc: Chicago western suburbs
 
I believe that in the olden days of film, professional photographers -- journalists, fashion photographers, paparazzi -- all took hundreds of exposures and picked out the very few best to publish. Us hobbyists were more frugal because of the cost of film and the darkroom time since we didn't have a staff to do the back-end work.

In my RE photography work, I typically take 100 or so exposures of a large home, and publish 60 to 80. I started this business with film and did the same. If it were not for digital, I could not offer my services to RE agents at an affordable rate.

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Jun 15, 2018 09:33:28   #
ppage Loc: Pittsburg, (San Francisco area)
 
I have found it useful to bust out the tripod. Just the very act of setting it up and a attaching the camera transforms the session into a deliberate, planned shoot. It slows me down in a good way and opens up all the possibilities the camera has to offer. I can use a very slow shutter speed if I want, my shots are sharp due to the stability. I can lower my iso significantly because a slow shutter speed is an option to compensate for lower light situations, I can do whatever I want with the aperture, breathe, relax and shoot. I shoot in manual with manual focus when I am on a tripod. The whole exercise makes me feel more like an artist. I start with a vision of what I want, haul the tripod there and try to turn the vision into a real image.I also shoot less. One you get everything all dialed in how many shots do you need? The rest of the shots come when I move the pod side to side and back and forth, up and down for various perspectives. Nothing beats handheld for freedom of movement but a tripod can really add purpose and focus to your shoot.
Jerry G wrote:
I shot film years ago and recently renewed my interest in photography. I found the freedom digital has brought to photography has made me lazy. When I shot film I would spend a good deal of effort on each photo, often not taking a shot if I wasn't satisfied, now I just take the shot and a couple more for good measure. I know this is a personal problem but was wondering if others have fallen into the habit of taking shots they are not happy with and what you do while you are shooting to resist being lazy.
I shot film years ago and recently renewed my inte... (show quote)

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Jun 15, 2018 09:33:38   #
Low Budget Dave
 
Meh.

I think you should go through the same planning process. (Compose your shot carefully, judge your exposure, check the framing...)

Ad then shoot a dozen shots. (Move around to get different angles, fiddle with the buttons to get different exposures, and bracket everything you can bracket.) Most people will find that the shot they "planned" ends up being the one they keep. But every once in a while, the extra shot you took "just in case" will turn out to be the best one.

A friend handed me his camera a while ago, and asked me to take pictures of him with his kids. It was bright, hot, and dusty that day, so I took about 20 extra pictures, and fiddled with exposure, because I was worried about the angle of the sunlight. When he got home and looked at the pictures, he ended up with only one picture where everyone had their eyes open.

I was so worried about getting good angles that I didn't notice how often everyone was blinking.

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Jun 15, 2018 09:43:51   #
kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
ole sarg wrote:
Don't worry those who are shooting thousands of photos to get maybe one are calling themselves artists. Just don't be an artist.


Yes, because the Mona Lisa was the first painting that daVinci ever did, he obviously wasn't an artist. If you buy a digital camera and then set it on manual, break out your ole Metrophot 3, and spend the next thirty minutes composing your "action" shot you are a fool.

By your logic, photographers the likes of Margaret Bourke-White and Henri Cartier-Bresson only shot ONE frame for every photograph that they ever published.

If you HAVE to have the picture, you take several shots with film, anyone that claims they are a one-and-done genius is a liar.

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Jun 15, 2018 09:49:47   #
HamBar06 Loc: Philadelphia, PA
 
Hi
I find that with digital I am somewhat lax in my setup before shooting. I am usually pretty good at composing a shot, but if in a hurry to catch something before it disappears, I will shoot with the idea that I can edit all or part of my picture to suit. Plus...delete doesn't cost me anything. I do not describe myself as anything more than a better than average amateur!
Larry

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Jun 15, 2018 09:53:35   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
The voice of experience speaks.
SonyA580 wrote:
You can get lazy shooting digital. If I have the time, I still like to "set up" a shot before I hit the shutter button. But there are definitely times when I know what I'm shooting will have to be worked over pretty good in PP. The BIG difference is the PP now does not involve a film developer tank, an enlarger, trays of solutions, dryers, working in the dark, etc., etc. I enjoyed it back when and and I enjoy it even more now.

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Jun 15, 2018 09:59:24   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Because a craft, photography requires discipline, skill, and experience to produce a worthy product. Nobody escapes this equation.

So if you feel lazy while doing photography, attribute this condition to the quality of your effort.
Jerry G wrote:
I shot film years ago and recently renewed my interest in photography. I found the freedom digital has brought to photography has made me lazy. When I shot film I would spend a good deal of effort on each photo, often not taking a shot if I wasn't satisfied, now I just take the shot and a couple more for good measure. I know this is a personal problem but was wondering if others have fallen into the habit of taking shots they are not happy with and what you do while you are shooting to resist being lazy.
I shot film years ago and recently renewed my inte... (show quote)

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Jun 15, 2018 10:28:48   #
Indiana Loc: Huntington, Indiana
 
gvarner wrote:
It's hard to be deliberate with digital when you can snap snap snap all day and then look for gems while relaxing in the comfort of the hot tub or by the fire. I prefer the bolt action rifle approach instead of the spray and pray of a semi-automatic.


Nice analogy!

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Jun 15, 2018 10:30:31   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
Jerry G wrote:
I shot film years ago and recently renewed my interest in photography. I found the freedom digital has brought to photography has made me lazy. When I shot film I would spend a good deal of effort on each photo, often not taking a shot if I wasn't satisfied, now I just take the shot and a couple more for good measure. I know this is a personal problem but was wondering if others have fallen into the habit of taking shots they are not happy with and what you do while you are shooting to resist being lazy.
I shot film years ago and recently renewed my inte... (show quote)


Delete key banishes all concern!

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Jun 15, 2018 10:32:38   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Jerry G wrote:
I shot film years ago and recently renewed my interest in photography. I found the freedom digital has brought to photography has made me lazy. When I shot film I would spend a good deal of effort on each photo, often not taking a shot if I wasn't satisfied, now I just take the shot and a couple more for good measure. I know this is a personal problem but was wondering if others have fallen into the habit of taking shots they are not happy with and what you do while you are shooting to resist being lazy.
I shot film years ago and recently renewed my inte... (show quote)


This is not a new question, but it is one that provokes thought. In the film days, top photography schools started students with view cameras and taught them to take time, consider each shot and look corner to corner on the ground glass to make sure before clicking the shutter. I think that is the best way to learn the art. It was also practical because film, chemicals and paper costs per exposure were expensive and additionally, you could only shoot a finite number of exposures before you either had to stop and change film or change cameras. Additionally, you could not economically check the outcome on the spot unless you used a Polaroid film holder and expensive Polaroid film. That all abruptly changed with the introduction of the digital world.

Although I learned in that environment and have followed that training all of my life, I have made adjustments for the new media because the controlling issue today is not the cost per exposure or the time it takes to change film. Yes, when I travel I take 1,000 to 1,500 exposures a week, but that is what I would have done in the film days if the technology of the time allowed that. Note that I never use the rapid fire function of my cameras because I still compose each photo using the same rules I learned in school, but I do take more opportunities to take photos because the technology allows me the freedom to do that. Unless I am taking pictures from a moving tour bus that forces a large percentage of throw-aways, I still take my time and set up each shot. I am just able to be more productive because the technology allows me to be more productive.

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