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Jun 14, 2018 10:02:54   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Jerry, try this exercise: go to a place such as the last outing you shared on UHH - BlackPoint Wildlife - and force yourself to come home with no more than 10 photos.

When you get to #11, go back through the 10 already shot and delete in-camera the one you consider the weakest, then continue on. I know there may be times this will cause you to miss a fleeting wildlife opportunity, so you may prefer trying a different location, such as an arboretum or other gardens.

Don't shoot just 10 and go home; keep taking pictures, but continue to delete your "weakest" first so that you never have more than 10 on the card at a single time. And before you decide which to delete in order to take the newest, compare the potential of the newest with what's already there. You may decide to move on from that spot without taking a pic.

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Jun 14, 2018 10:04:33   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Picture Taker wrote:
I think I'm not an artist. I think your not an artist until some one with knowledge calls you an artist and then I'm not sure. I am asked to show (sell) my pictures at "Art Shows" and I look at some of the painting and sculptures that at the show and they are artists. I just capture the picture.


I think my 11 year old granddaughter is an artist - she takes an idea, and turns it into a painting or drawing for others to enjoy. That's my definition.


Being a "good" or even "great" artist is subjective, and the only opinion that counts is your own.


Being a professional or acclaimed artist is a little more objective, but still not science.


But I've always thought that each one of us is an artist the instant we decide to pick up a camera and make an image for someone else to look at with enjoyment.


That's my story and I'm stickin' to it...


Andy

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Jun 14, 2018 10:08:43   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Try this exercise: go to a place such as the last outing you shared on UHH - BlackPoint Wildlife - and force yourself to come home with no more than 10 photos.

When you get to #11, go back through the 10 already shot and delete in-camera the one you consider the weakest, then continue on. I know there may be times this will cause you to miss a fleeting wildlife opportunity, so you may prefer trying a different location, such as an arboretum or other gardens.

Don't shoot just 10 and go home; keep taking pictures, but continue to delete your "weakest" first so that you never have more than 10 on the card at a single time. And before you decide which to delete in order to take the newest, compare the potential of the newest with what's already there. You may decide to move on from that spot without taking a pic.
Try this exercise: go to a place such as the last ... (show quote)


That's an interesting exercise, and slightly different from taking out a 12 exposure roll of 120 or a half dozen 4x5 sheets because you get a do-over on the spot. Makes us think more carefully about each capture.

I think my only issue would be seeing the images with my aging eyes on the camera's small screen, especially in bright sun, but it sounds like worthwhile practice. Thanks for suggesting it.

Andy

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Jun 14, 2018 10:09:47   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
AndyH wrote:
I have a somewhat similar background, but I have found that I am doing exactly the opposite of your last sentence. I have so many more RAW (in both senses) images to work with that I sometimes can't choose which one to work on, and sometimes see things on my computer screen that I didn't see in the field. Post Processing (f/k/a "Darkroom Work") is so easy and portable now that it's even more fun to play with an image. I might have spent a couple of hours working on one single negative back in the seventies, but now I can see the various ways to treat it in about a half hour, and with no expense except for my time. So in that sense, I'm spending less time processing, and theoretically more time shooting.


But when I look at the actual hours spent, I find that I have so many images to choose from that my overall "darkroom" time has gone up significantly! I'm much freer in expending pixels than I ever was with Kodachrome or Tri X!


Now I'm not complaining - I produce much more work today that I like and enjoy. And, both the shooting time and processing time is quite enjoyable, in a somewhat different way than it used to be. I still take out film gear on occasion, just to help slow down my thinking and approach, but I'm afraid my darkroom stuff will just continue to gather dust. Kind of sad in a way, but I'm very happy with my photography today.


Andy
I have a somewhat similar background, but I have f... (show quote)


I think we have all heard of famous painters who have worked for long periods on a painting and then destroy it in frustration and start over. The same thing is going on here. There is a subconscious commitment to and investment in the work already done. Sometimes the only way the painter can go forward is to destroy the canvas. In digital photography, sometimes, we get invested in all the shots we took and get analysis paralysis. That is why I have been trying to be more brutal after a shoot in going home a deleting at least 80% of the shots trying to keep only the very best one or two of a particular composition.

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Jun 14, 2018 10:11:54   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
dsmeltz wrote:
I think we have all heard of famous painters who have worked for long periods on a painting and then destroy it in frustration and start over. The same thing is going on here. There is a subconscious commitment to and investment in the work already done. Sometimes the only way the painter can go forward is to destroy the canvas. In digital photography, sometimes, we get invested in all the shots we took and get analysis paralysis. That is why I have been trying to be more brutal after a shoot in going home a deleting at least 80% of the shots trying to keep only the very best one or two of a particular composition.
I think we have all heard of famous painters who h... (show quote)




I hadn't thought of the analogy, but it's spot on.

Andy

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Jun 14, 2018 10:37:18   #
FreddB Loc: PA - Delaware County
 
Depends on the occasion/event.
If it's an "artistic" or personal/fun quest, yeah, you can walk away with very few or
absolutely no shots.
But, there's no way you're telling the kids or grandkids (don't even try this with the
wife), I don't felt inspired today, let's do Christmas/your birthday/graduation, or once in a lifetime trip another time.
So fire away and get at least one keeper for "posterity".
IMVHO! ☺☺☺

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Jun 14, 2018 10:40:17   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
For personal problems ...

https://www.uexpress.com/dearabby

Or, limit yourself to 36 shots an hour.
Or, enjoy the freedom of taking a thousand shots ...
... and the dread of having to go through them all.

Most important, have fun.

--

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Jun 14, 2018 10:51:33   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Picture Taker wrote:
I think I'm not an artist. I think your not an artist until some one with knowledge calls you an artist and then I'm not sure. I am asked to show (sell) my pictures at "Art Shows" and I look at some of the painting and sculptures that at the show and they are artists. I just capture the picture.


In my view, if you think you are an artist, then you are one. You may be a lousy artist or a good or even great one, and people with "knowledge" may not even get that decision right. Nobody in Van Gogh's time seemed to think he was a very good artist. Among photographers, Robert Frank got terrible reviews when The Americans was first published, and now it is considered one of the most influential works in photography. There have even been people who didn't consider themselves artists who succeeding generations decided were definitely artists.

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Jun 14, 2018 12:11:16   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Jerry G wrote:
I shot film years ago and recently renewed my interest in photography. I found the freedom digital has brought to photography has made me lazy. When I shot film I would spend a good deal of effort on each photo, often not taking a shot if I wasn't satisfied, now I just take the shot and a couple more for good measure. I know this is a personal problem but was wondering if others have fallen into the habit of taking shots they are not happy with and what you do while you are shooting to resist being lazy.
I shot film years ago and recently renewed my inte... (show quote)


What do I do?

I shoot film.

When I shot digital, I shot too much throw away crap too often.

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Jun 14, 2018 12:16:20   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Nope, give every shot my best try; you need to find some way to motivate yourself to be the best.

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Jun 14, 2018 12:21:17   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Jerry G wrote:
I shot film years ago and recently renewed my interest in photography. I found the freedom digital has brought to photography has made me lazy. When I shot film I would spend a good deal of effort on each photo, often not taking a shot if I wasn't satisfied, now I just take the shot and a couple more for good measure. I know this is a personal problem but was wondering if others have fallen into the habit of taking shots they are not happy with and what you do while you are shooting to resist being lazy.
I shot film years ago and recently renewed my inte... (show quote)

No, shooting digital has not changed the way I shoot, I still shoot both and there is no difference in the approach!

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Jun 14, 2018 12:26:23   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
speters wrote:
No, shooting digital has not changed the way I shoot, I still shoot both and there is no difference in the approach!


That's remarkable, sersly. I don't have the self control to shoot the same approach with a 12 shot roll of 120 Tri-x and a 32Gb card.

An unlimited supply of "film" has made me less deliberate, more willing to go for a "grab" burst when I see something happening on the street, more inclined to try unusual exposure or focus approaches. When I want to slow myself down, that's when I haul out some film equipment, the bigger the "slower". I hear a lot of shooters I know talk about both the benefits and disadvantages of our virtually inexhaustible magazines, but I know few who think it hasn't had an effect on their approach.

Andy

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Jun 14, 2018 13:29:07   #
Stardust Loc: Central Illinois
 
No question when switched from film to digital I became a "sloppier" photographer. Then in the age of PP became worse compared to the days of a click of a shutter was what you were going to have. Now some personal shoots I intentionally only take ONE shot of each to help get back discipline.

On the positive I "throw away" the majority of my shots now versus saving most in film days because had so much cost invested.

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Jun 14, 2018 14:10:56   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I always take multiple shots. Even if I take 20 shots one will be the best of the bunch. It could be the first shot or the last shot or one in the middle. Why deprive myself of getting my best shot? I see it as an advantage to shooting digital. When I shot film most of my shots were just average. They still are. But the more shots I take, the better chance of getting a keeper. Instead of wasting money on film and processing, now it's part of my process. Back in the days of film, pro wedding and portrait photographers gave the client a bunch of proofs to pick their favorites. If you restrict yourself to one shot you get a driver's license photo.

Jerry G wrote:
I shot film years ago and recently renewed my interest in photography. I found the freedom digital has brought to photography has made me lazy. When I shot film I would spend a good deal of effort on each photo, often not taking a shot if I wasn't satisfied, now I just take the shot and a couple more for good measure. I know this is a personal problem but was wondering if others have fallen into the habit of taking shots they are not happy with and what you do while you are shooting to resist being lazy.
I shot film years ago and recently renewed my inte... (show quote)

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Jun 14, 2018 15:38:47   #
BebuLamar
 
I don't think you have the problem. Take as many shots as you feel like it doesn't matter. I shot about 50% more using digital than when I used film. My camera has less than 5000 actuations and it's 4 and a half year old. When I shoot film I did the same. I took a shot and a couple more for good measure. What I didn't do is taking a shot, chimp then make another because I see something that can be improved. I didn't do it simply because it's not possible then. I know many people shoot a lot with digital but I can't see nothing wrong with that except it would wear the camera out faster.

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