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Nursery Web spider......
Jun 4, 2018 12:14:28   #
EnglishBrenda Loc: Kent, England
 
......with her egg sac. I was picking some rhubarb when she appeared so a mad dash to get the camera and find her again and grab a shot as she was moving off. So happy to find one with a sac and I didn't want to hassle her for a better pic.

Also 2 mating Mint Moths on a window and a fly for which I am seeking an ID - it has horizontal stripes on abdomen (not checkerboard) and great eyebrows.

Nursery Web Spider - Pisauridae.
Nursery Web Spider - Pisauridae....
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Pyrausta Aurata - Mint Moth
Pyrausta Aurata - Mint Moth...
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Seeking ID
Seeking ID...
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Jun 4, 2018 12:26:14   #
tinusbum Loc: east texas
 
EnglishBrenda wrote:
......with her egg sac.


nice shots,those carry their eggsacs different than the wolfs do and as for the fly,thats a job for ID Mark i like the reflection on the moth,i shot one similar yesterday,i wonder if its a mint moth

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Jun 4, 2018 12:37:53   #
EnglishBrenda Loc: Kent, England
 
tinusbum wrote:
nice shots,those carry their eggsacs different than the wolfs do and as for the fly,thats a job for ID Mark i like the reflection on the moth,i shot one similar yesterday,i wonder if its a mint moth


Thanks Tom. Yes I was reading about the way they carry the eggs sacs - Wolf spiders carry in their spinnerets and the Nursery ones carry them in their jaws and pedipalps.

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Jun 4, 2018 12:45:30   #
rwilson1942 Loc: Houston, TX
 

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Jun 4, 2018 21:18:58   #
kpmac Loc: Ragley, La
 
Very nice set.

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Jun 5, 2018 06:32:57   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 

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Jun 5, 2018 16:06:46   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
Fantastic images and highly detailed.

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Jun 5, 2018 16:25:09   #
EnglishBrenda Loc: Kent, England
 
Thanks you gentlemen, it was exciting for me to find this spider and egg sac but difficult to shoot between the rhubarb stems and enormous leaves. I just feel sorry for this spider knowing how badly her dedicated mothering will all end for her.

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Jun 5, 2018 16:45:36   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
Nice pictures. ID Mark does not know this fly. He says he needs wing veins to even get it to family. He is sorry.

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Jun 5, 2018 16:48:42   #
EnglishBrenda Loc: Kent, England
 
[quote=Mark Sturtevant]Nice pictures. ID Mark does not know this fly. He says he needs wing veins to even get it to family. He is sorry.[/quoteI

Thanks for responding Mark, I may be able to find some wing veins. It has an appealing little face.

OK found another photo of the same fly which was mating at the time. It shows some wing veins.


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Jun 5, 2018 19:23:47   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
They are snipe flies (Rhagionidae). There are a couple with similar markings, but I can't find one with the black shiny spots on the head. So unless there is a British equivilant of BG, this might not get much further.

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Jun 6, 2018 03:23:38   #
EnglishBrenda Loc: Kent, England
 
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
They are snipe flies (Rhagionidae). There are a couple with similar markings, but I can't find one with the black shiny spots on the head. So unless there is a British equivilant of BG, this might not get much further.


Thanks Mark, I found another today in the local park. I will search Snipe flies now, it is the first I have seen of its kind.

Update - I think this may be it http://www.pbase.com/tmurray74/image/80672969

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Jun 6, 2018 09:22:41   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
Erm, there is reason to think that this is a different, but similar family called the stilleto flies (family Therevidae). They 'look' very much like snipe flies, but some key characters make the difference. Stilleto flies do not have much of an arista on the antennae, and the veins at the tip of the wings are strongly divergent. I can't see the antennae here, but I can see the divergent veins in the 2nd picture. So stilleto flies.
Anyway, with that the genus looks like Thereva. See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Thereva_sp._8703.jpg, noting the shiny spots on the head. I will leave it at that.

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Jun 6, 2018 09:32:50   #
EnglishBrenda Loc: Kent, England
 
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
Erm, there is reason to think that this is a different, but similar family called the stilleto flies (family Therevidae). They 'look' very much like snipe flies, but some key characters make the difference. Stilleto flies do not have much of an arista on the antennae, and the veins at the tip of the wings are strongly divergent. I can't see the antennae here, but I can see the divergent veins in the 2nd picture. So stilleto flies.
Anyway, with that the genus looks like Thereva. See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Thereva_sp._8703.jpg, noting the shiny spots on the head. I will leave it at that.
Erm, there is reason to think that this is a diffe... (show quote)


That looks like it Mark, I have so much to learn. I think wing patterns would be a good idea for me to study, thank you for your time and effort.

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