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Jun 4, 2018 07:38:26   #
Kuzano
 
Tell her you will shoot the EOTM (end of this marriage) for half price... you'll still be around. I contend that the high rate of divorce in our country is the need to be on a budget to get married.

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Jun 4, 2018 07:43:36   #
Nikonman44
 
BHC wrote:
I do NOT like being used, especially by a friend. Since she has two children, there's a slight chance she's been married before - and will be again. Tell her you'll do this one at the price quoted and the next one at half price.



Thats funny but oh so true.

A good friend of many years was getting remarried and I did not make the list. Also a second trip down the aisle.

I was chatting with another friend who did get invited and got sage advise from him.

Don't worry he will be getting married again and then you can go.

That was very true. He is now on number 4 and I am glad that I don't get the invitations.

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Jun 4, 2018 07:46:23   #
paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah
 
Lovelight wrote:
Hi. First time posting!

I'm a 'sometimes' Pro Photographer with 4 successful Weddings under my belt over the last 9 years and 1 as a second shooter. I have a 2:1 degree in Fine Art Photography too.

I say 'sometimes' as I've been a stay at home Mum for 4 years and haven't been taking on any Wedding work. I don't see how anyone does! I'm honestly baffled by the concept of (out of the house) working when you have a small child... if and when I get a moment's chance to string a thought together to do so, before being interrupted by my toddler!

Anyway this weekend my old college friend messaged me to invite me to her wedding and to ask if she could afford me to shoot it. She had a plan B of a hobbiest friend of her other half if not.
Do not compromise your price just because she is your friend. Maybe a 10% discount at best.
Had a friend who used to shoot weddings for free to get the experience. He was so busy and then he decided to charge a little to cover expenses and then no one wanted his services anymore.

It was strange to be back in the nerve-wracking position of revisiting my pricing 4 years on but I got back into it and am currently insured for public liability only, with my main Nikon D700 body broken since last August, which needs either a new mirror or shutter and I'm estimating if it can be fixed that I'll be looking at £500 for that. Otherwise I have my Nikon D300 and little Olympus XZ1 with off camera flash for candid shooting.

So the last wedding I did, I charged £800 for a digital on personalised USB stick package. And 4 years on I figured £900 was reasonable, considering I need to travel to another city and stay the night, plus fuel and a reckie trip before, hire of a couple of lenses, possibly a body too.

Anyway, I put the figure to my friend but she said she'd have to decline as the budget is too tight and she's prioritizing the clothes and a party feel plus a short honeymoon after. (She has two kids 8 and 1). She said she'll just get her hobbiest friend to try their best and if she just gets one great shot of the four of them she'll be happy. [Eyeroll]

On Facebook I've already seen she's ordered a fairly expensive dress from a lovely bridal shop.

I tried to advise her of the priority I felt photography should take in her budget and that I'd seen many mediocre albums of friends before.

I even suggested my favourite female photographer in my area, who shot a friend's Wedding but who is also 'in essence' my dream local competitor. (She's an active pro with a hundred Weddings under her belt, so out of my league professionally.) She charges £1100 for a digital package locally.

I let her know of the problems a November Wedding could encompass re: poor light and blurry indoor photos but none of this is swaying her.

I just feel awful because I feel it's a disaster waiting to happen and that shell regret it in future years and almost just want to do the gig to make sure she gets some great shots, even if just for a shorter time frame (main shots) but feel this is selling myself short, as I'll still put the same amount of stress and effort into it and get the insurance, plus hire lenses etc.

For another set of friends locally before my £800 gig, I charged £550 but I don't even think she'd pay that and I'd find it hard to make it worth my while at all with all my costs. I've no other Wedding booked till a possible friend's next December, so insurance alone every month will be £20 to maintain professional indemnity cover.

So, just looking for opinions.

In case it isn't obvious, should I just keep out of it now and stick with being a guest, or take it on for much less?

I am a bit pissed that the other vendors are getting paid but she's looking for the photography to be the bit that can be done on the cheap!
Hi. First time posting! br br I'm a 'sometimes' P... (show quote)

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Jun 4, 2018 07:53:05   #
Nikonman44
 
Gene51 wrote:
Enjoy the wedding. There an old saying "no good deed goes unpunished" which is what you are likely to encounter before, during and after the wedding, based on you description. You are better off letting her tell you she made a mistake, than you warning her - she doesn't want to hear it. But the worst part is she thinks so little of your work and values it so low, that she prioritizes it very low and is not willing to pay what it's worth. And you are already giving her an amazing deal. Typical weddings here cost a lot more than $1500 USD (£1100) unless you go the cheap route, in which case the photographer hands over 2000 pictures on a flash memory stick at the end of the night, which might cost $600.

Don't be pissed and enjoy the wedding. You have done your best. If they offer an open bar, take full advantage . . .
Enjoy the wedding. There an old saying "no go... (show quote)


Ahh yes more great advice. The free open bar.
I really love the idea of her coming back later and saying " I made a mistake on my choice"
Have fun, eat the food and drink the bubbly.

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Jun 4, 2018 08:09:10   #
Dun1 Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
As others have said enjoy the wedding. The quickest way to loose a friend is to loan them money you intend to be repaid, the second is to be a wedding photographer. Most wedding photographers these days require at least one primary shooter, and then a second shooter. Most wedding parties today also want video as well as stills. What ever fee you might charge might not be enough to cover loss of your friendship

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Jun 4, 2018 09:32:16   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
"I am a bit pissed that the other vendors are getting paid but she's looking for the photography to be the bit that can be done on the cheap!"

Your friend is/will be probably "pissed" also! After the wedding, when the dress in storage - the cake forgotten - the wedding presents taken back to the places they were bought from, all she will have left will be the poor snapshots from everyone's phone cameras. VERY sad for her!
~ YOU, on the other hand, would have busted your rear end for her and provided the BEST Artistic Images she could possibly imagine from her fairytale wedding!! You certainly were asking a reasonable price, in my opinion.
NEVER shoot for free!
And NEVER give up!

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Jun 4, 2018 09:34:24   #
Nikon1201
 
The last thing I would do is a friends wedding. What a way to ruin a great friendship . Maybe you could be a second photog.

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Jun 4, 2018 09:36:34   #
Kuzano
 
Nikonman44 wrote:
More very good advice. remember that french woman who said" Let them eat cake" follow her advice and take some bubbly too.


Ah Yes, Marie Antionette... beheaded by Guillotine. French Revolution. Definitely not the best advice.

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Jun 4, 2018 09:43:19   #
djlouden Loc: Ocala, Florida
 
Run, don't walk, away from this situation. Nothing good will come from being imposed upon by your friend.

When I did do weddings in days long ago, I had a rule: Don't shoot for friends.

Enjoy your other photo work and be happy.

Happy shooting

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Jun 4, 2018 09:54:31   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Lovelight wrote:
Hi. First time posting!

I'm a 'sometimes' Pro Photographer with 4 successful Weddings under my belt over the last 9 years and 1 as a second shooter. I have a 2:1 degree in Fine Art Photography too.

I say 'sometimes' as I've been a stay at home Mum for 4 years and haven't been taking on any Wedding work. I don't see how anyone does! I'm honestly baffled by the concept of (out of the house) working when you have a small child... if and when I get a moment's chance to string a thought together to do so, before being interrupted by my toddler!

Anyway this weekend my old college friend messaged me to invite me to her wedding and to ask if she could afford me to shoot it. She had a plan B of a hobbiest friend of her other half if not.

It was strange to be back in the nerve-wracking position of revisiting my pricing 4 years on but I got back into it and am currently insured for public liability only, with my main Nikon D700 body broken since last August, which needs either a new mirror or shutter and I'm estimating if it can be fixed that I'll be looking at £500 for that. Otherwise I have my Nikon D300 and little Olympus XZ1 with off camera flash for candid shooting.

So the last wedding I did, I charged £800 for a digital on personalised USB stick package. And 4 years on I figured £900 was reasonable, considering I need to travel to another city and stay the night, plus fuel and a reckie trip before, hire of a couple of lenses, possibly a body too.

Anyway, I put the figure to my friend but she said she'd have to decline as the budget is too tight and she's prioritizing the clothes and a party feel plus a short honeymoon after. (She has two kids 8 and 1). She said she'll just get her hobbiest friend to try their best and if she just gets one great shot of the four of them she'll be happy. [Eyeroll]

On Facebook I've already seen she's ordered a fairly expensive dress from a lovely bridal shop.

I tried to advise her of the priority I felt photography should take in her budget and that I'd seen many mediocre albums of friends before.

I even suggested my favourite female photographer in my area, who shot a friend's Wedding but who is also 'in essence' my dream local competitor. (She's an active pro with a hundred Weddings under her belt, so out of my league professionally.) She charges £1100 for a digital package locally.

I let her know of the problems a November Wedding could encompass re: poor light and blurry indoor photos but none of this is swaying her.

I just feel awful because I feel it's a disaster waiting to happen and that shell regret it in future years and almost just want to do the gig to make sure she gets some great shots, even if just for a shorter time frame (main shots) but feel this is selling myself short, as I'll still put the same amount of stress and effort into it and get the insurance, plus hire lenses etc.

For another set of friends locally before my £800 gig, I charged £550 but I don't even think she'd pay that and I'd find it hard to make it worth my while at all with all my costs. I've no other Wedding booked till a possible friend's next December, so insurance alone every month will be £20 to maintain professional indemnity cover.

So, just looking for opinions.

In case it isn't obvious, should I just keep out of it now and stick with being a guest, or take it on for much less?

I am a bit pissed that the other vendors are getting paid but she's looking for the photography to be the bit that can be done on the cheap!
Hi. First time posting! br br I'm a 'sometimes' P... (show quote)

As some one else suggested, I'm guessing she may have expected you to do it gratis as a wedding gift. I would not worry about it. Just be a guest and don't bring the subject up again. If she doesn't want to pay for excellence and won't heed your advice I wouldn't worry about it at this point. You've expressed your concerns and if she's unhappy with the results that's her problem. She's an adult and has made her decision. The worst case scenario at this point is that the hobbyist does a poor job and she's upset with you for not doing her wedding, or the hobbyist does a great job and she thinks you were going to overly profit from her wedding. When you consider hiring your services out to a friend its almost always a losing proposition on way or the other. The fact that she rejected the amount you suggested has probably already damaged your relationship. She was obviously expecting you to make it "affordable". Perhaps, since shes a friend, you should have asked her how much she was considering and then you could responded based upon her budget.

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Jun 4, 2018 09:56:24   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Lovelight wrote:
Hi. First time posting!

I'm a 'sometimes' Pro Photographer with 4 successful Weddings under my belt over the last 9 years and 1 as a second shooter. I have a 2:1 degree in Fine Art Photography too.

I say 'sometimes' as I've been a stay at home Mum for 4 years and haven't been taking on any Wedding work. I don't see how anyone does! I'm honestly baffled by the concept of (out of the house) working when you have a small child... if and when I get a moment's chance to string a thought together to do so, before being interrupted by my toddler!

Anyway this weekend my old college friend messaged me to invite me to her wedding and to ask if she could afford me to shoot it. She had a plan B of a hobbiest friend of her other half if not.

It was strange to be back in the nerve-wracking position of revisiting my pricing 4 years on but I got back into it and am currently insured for public liability only, with my main Nikon D700 body broken since last August, which needs either a new mirror or shutter and I'm estimating if it can be fixed that I'll be looking at £500 for that. Otherwise I have my Nikon D300 and little Olympus XZ1 with off camera flash for candid shooting.

So the last wedding I did, I charged £800 for a digital on personalised USB stick package. And 4 years on I figured £900 was reasonable, considering I need to travel to another city and stay the night, plus fuel and a reckie trip before, hire of a couple of lenses, possibly a body too.

Anyway, I put the figure to my friend but she said she'd have to decline as the budget is too tight and she's prioritizing the clothes and a party feel plus a short honeymoon after. (She has two kids 8 and 1). She said she'll just get her hobbiest friend to try their best and if she just gets one great shot of the four of them she'll be happy. [Eyeroll]

On Facebook I've already seen she's ordered a fairly expensive dress from a lovely bridal shop.

I tried to advise her of the priority I felt photography should take in her budget and that I'd seen many mediocre albums of friends before.

I even suggested my favourite female photographer in my area, who shot a friend's Wedding but who is also 'in essence' my dream local competitor. (She's an active pro with a hundred Weddings under her belt, so out of my league professionally.) She charges £1100 for a digital package locally.

I let her know of the problems a November Wedding could encompass re: poor light and blurry indoor photos but none of this is swaying her.

I just feel awful because I feel it's a disaster waiting to happen and that shell regret it in future years and almost just want to do the gig to make sure she gets some great shots, even if just for a shorter time frame (main shots) but feel this is selling myself short, as I'll still put the same amount of stress and effort into it and get the insurance, plus hire lenses etc.

For another set of friends locally before my £800 gig, I charged £550 but I don't even think she'd pay that and I'd find it hard to make it worth my while at all with all my costs. I've no other Wedding booked till a possible friend's next December, so insurance alone every month will be £20 to maintain professional indemnity cover.

So, just looking for opinions.

In case it isn't obvious, should I just keep out of it now and stick with being a guest, or take it on for much less?

I am a bit pissed that the other vendors are getting paid but she's looking for the photography to be the bit that can be done on the cheap!
Hi. First time posting! br br I'm a 'sometimes' P... (show quote)


As a 40 year wedding photographer I tell you this. Go as a guest and make sure to keep your camera's at home. And smile a lot because you are not responsible for ANYTHING.

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Jun 4, 2018 10:05:11   #
Silverman Loc: Michigan
 
Lovelight wrote:
Hi. First time posting!

I'm a 'sometimes' Pro Photographer with 4 successful Weddings under my belt over the last 9 years and 1 as a second shooter. I have a 2:1 degree in Fine Art Photography too.

I say 'sometimes' as I've been a stay at home Mum for 4 years and haven't been taking on any Wedding work. I don't see how anyone does! I'm honestly baffled by the concept of (out of the house) working when you have a small child... if and when I get a moment's chance to string a thought together to do so, before being interrupted by my toddler!

Anyway this weekend my old college friend messaged me to invite me to her wedding and to ask if she could afford me to shoot it. She had a plan B of a hobbiest friend of her other half if not.

It was strange to be back in the nerve-wracking position of revisiting my pricing 4 years on but I got back into it and am currently insured for public liability only, with my main Nikon D700 body broken since last August, which needs either a new mirror or shutter and I'm estimating if it can be fixed that I'll be looking at £500 for that. Otherwise I have my Nikon D300 and little Olympus XZ1 with off camera flash for candid shooting.

Remember; If you feel inadequate due to your circumstances, it might be much wiser to say NO and explain WHY, than to take on the heavy responsibility and possibly lose a FRIEND in the End, just FOOD for THOUGHT.

So the last wedding I did, I charged £800 for a digital on personalised USB stick package. And 4 years on I figured £900 was reasonable, considering I need to travel to another city and stay the night, plus fuel and a reckie trip before, hire of a couple of lenses, possibly a body too.

Anyway, I put the figure to my friend but she said she'd have to decline as the budget is too tight and she's prioritizing the clothes and a party feel plus a short honeymoon after. (She has two kids 8 and 1). She said she'll just get her hobbiest friend to try their best and if she just gets one great shot of the four of them she'll be happy. [Eyeroll]

On Facebook I've already seen she's ordered a fairly expensive dress from a lovely bridal shop.

I tried to advise her of the priority I felt photography should take in her budget and that I'd seen many mediocre albums of friends before.

I even suggested my favourite female photographer in my area, who shot a friend's Wedding but who is also 'in essence' my dream local competitor. (She's an active pro with a hundred Weddings under her belt, so out of my league professionally.) She charges £1100 for a digital package locally.

I let her know of the problems a November Wedding could encompass re: poor light and blurry indoor photos but none of this is swaying her.

I just feel awful because I feel it's a disaster waiting to happen and that shell regret it in future years and almost just want to do the gig to make sure she gets some great shots, even if just for a shorter time frame (main shots) but feel this is selling myself short, as I'll still put the same amount of stress and effort into it and get the insurance, plus hire lenses etc.

For another set of friends locally before my £800 gig, I charged £550 but I don't even think she'd pay that and I'd find it hard to make it worth my while at all with all my costs. I've no other Wedding booked till a possible friend's next December, so insurance alone every month will be £20 to maintain professional indemnity cover.

So, just looking for opinions.

In case it isn't obvious, should I just keep out of it now and stick with being a guest, or take it on for much less?

I am a bit pissed that the other vendors are getting paid but she's looking for the photography to be the bit that can be done on the cheap!
Hi. First time posting! br br I'm a 'sometimes' P... (show quote)

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Jun 4, 2018 10:07:15   #
polonois Loc: Lancaster County,PA.
 
I have done over 700 weddings when I was in business. I wouldn't do a wedding for less than £1500. I had many people try to get me to do there wedding cheap so they could spend their money on frills for themselves. They would take advantage of you and won't appreciate it anyway. If it isn't perfect they will complain. Don't do it. Go as a guest. Spare yourself the stress. The friend thing doesn't work.

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Jun 4, 2018 10:15:00   #
ssiretire Loc: Warsaw, KY
 
You do not say what you are including in your package for that price. Your mention of purchasing or renting equipment, travel expenses and insurance is not her concern. What she is getting for the price mentioned is her concern.
I see several options foe you.
a. Go as a guest and friend but forget the photography.
b. Put together a minimum package of important shots for a reduced price.
c. Be realistic on your pricing and give her a total package but list everything you will do for that price.

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Jun 4, 2018 11:03:41   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
dparenton wrote:
She was most probably hoping that you would shoot the wedding for nothing as your wedding gift to her! Go as a guest and friend. If possible take a small camera with you. Take a lot of informal, unposed pictures. Surprise her with a small album at a later date.


I am getting the feeling this is exactly what she was hoping for The OP would either do it for free or would just bring her camera along and shoot shots anyways then she would end up with 2 free photographers. My advice leave camera at home and go as a guest only. This is a no win only lose situation for the OP. I would also advise the OP to reread everything she wrote She has all the reasons she needs to not feel bad about not doing it. Her friend should feel bad for asking her to do it on the cheap.

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