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May 27, 2018 17:14:17   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
Several sources have covered this, here's NPR: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/24/614268206/border-patrol-shooting-death-of-immigrant-woman-raises-tensions-in-south-texas Here's New York Magazine: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/border-patrol-agent-shots-and-k**ls-unarmed-migrant-woman.html Here's UK's Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-shooting-border-patrol-migrant-texas-k**ls-woman-a8369201.html#gallery

The incident is being investigated by the FBI and the Texas Rangers. It seems that the officer encountered a few "i******s" hiding in a culvert. He asserts that they attacked him with "multiple blunt objects" but apparently no such objects were found. The officer fired and hit the unarmed young woman in the head, k*****g her. Surely ICE agents are trained in non-lethal tactics, or are they? If the officer retreated and called for reinforcements the crossers could perhaps have been captured without a k*****g.

Given the continual r****t and bigoted comments by Mr Trump, and the decision by Mr Sessions to prosecute i******s to the fullest extent possible the dehumanization of i*****l i*******ts makes this sort of incident likely. Is ICE turning into our very own Stasi? The Stasi were fond of shooting border crossers, as many of us remember, prior to the fall of the Berlin Wall. Kim Jong Un has his border patrols, also with itchy fingers. Are these the sort of border enforcement we want? Illegal border crossing is a misdemeanor. How many misdemeanors carry the death penalty?

What sort of country are we turning into? Its time for Congress to rein in the Executive Branch, enact some immigration reform, and dial back the current policies.

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May 28, 2018 07:12:57   #
richosob Loc: Lambertville, MI
 
GeorgeH wrote:
Several sources have covered this, here's NPR: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/24/614268206/border-patrol-shooting-death-of-immigrant-woman-raises-tensions-in-south-texas Here's New York Magazine: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/border-patrol-agent-shots-and-k**ls-unarmed-migrant-woman.html Here's UK's Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-shooting-border-patrol-migrant-texas-k**ls-woman-a8369201.html#gallery

The incident is being investigated by the FBI and the Texas Rangers. It seems that the officer encountered a few "i******s" hiding in a culvert. He asserts that they attacked him with "multiple blunt objects" but apparently no such objects were found. The officer fired and hit the unarmed young woman in the head, k*****g her. Surely ICE agents are trained in non-lethal tactics, or are they? If the officer retreated and called for reinforcements the crossers could perhaps have been captured without a k*****g.

Given the continual r****t and bigoted comments by Mr Trump, and the decision by Mr Sessions to prosecute i******s to the fullest extent possible the dehumanization of i*****l i*******ts makes this sort of incident likely. Is ICE turning into our very own Stasi? The Stasi were fond of shooting border crossers, as many of us remember, prior to the fall of the Berlin Wall. Kim Jong Un has his border patrols, also with itchy fingers. Are these the sort of border enforcement we want? Illegal border crossing is a misdemeanor. How many misdemeanors carry the death penalty?

What sort of country are we turning into? Its time for Congress to rein in the Executive Branch, enact some immigration reform, and dial back the current policies.
Several sources have covered this, here's NPR: ht... (show quote)


Should've stayed in her own country!

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May 28, 2018 08:45:55   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
richosob wrote:
Should've stayed in her own country!


So, the North Koreans who try to escape? The East Germans who braved the Wall? The Jews who fled N**i persecution? (and too often were turned away by the US) The Syrians who leave their country to escape bloody civil war? Are you serious or are just trolling, just stirring the pot? What planet are you from?

Or are you attempting "humor"?

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May 28, 2018 08:53:20   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
richosob wrote:
Should've stayed in her own country!


George doesn't get it. Never will. Can't feel sorry for these wetback invaders.

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May 28, 2018 09:21:00   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
GeorgeH wrote:
Several sources have covered this, here's NPR: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/24/614268206/border-patrol-shooting-death-of-immigrant-woman-raises-tensions-in-south-texas Here's New York Magazine: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/border-patrol-agent-shots-and-k**ls-unarmed-migrant-woman.html Here's UK's Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-shooting-border-patrol-migrant-texas-k**ls-woman-a8369201.html#gallery

The incident is being investigated by the FBI and the Texas Rangers. It seems that the officer encountered a few "i******s" hiding in a culvert. He asserts that they attacked him with "multiple blunt objects" but apparently no such objects were found. The officer fired and hit the unarmed young woman in the head, k*****g her. Surely ICE agents are trained in non-lethal tactics, or are they? If the officer retreated and called for reinforcements the crossers could perhaps have been captured without a k*****g.

Given the continual r****t and bigoted comments by Mr Trump, and the decision by Mr Sessions to prosecute i******s to the fullest extent possible the dehumanization of i*****l i*******ts makes this sort of incident likely. Is ICE turning into our very own Stasi? The Stasi were fond of shooting border crossers, as many of us remember, prior to the fall of the Berlin Wall. Kim Jong Un has his border patrols, also with itchy fingers. Are these the sort of border enforcement we want? Illegal border crossing is a misdemeanor. How many misdemeanors carry the death penalty?

What sort of country are we turning into? Its time for Congress to rein in the Executive Branch, enact some immigration reform, and dial back the current policies.
Several sources have covered this, here's NPR: ht... (show quote)


My thought is that since the liberal media is unable to report facts and t***h, let’s see what actually comes out about this. Remember, the person shot was breaking the law and there was alleged assault on an officer. I know the left wants to believe criminals over law enforcement, but I would bet some t***h will be coming. This is like robbing a store, getting shot in the process then having family complain that you were shot. Don’t put yourself in positions where you are breaking the law. ALL law enforcement shootings are investigated, bet liberals won’t like the results.

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May 28, 2018 09:30:24   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
Checkmate wrote:
George doesn't get it. Never will. Can't feel sorry for these wetback invaders.


Go away!

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May 28, 2018 09:43:50   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
GeorgeH wrote:
So, the North Koreans who try to escape? The East Germans who braved the Wall? The Jews who fled N**i persecution? (and too often were turned away by the US) The Syrians who leave their country to escape bloody civil war? Are you serious or are just trolling, just stirring the pot? What planet are you from?

Or are you attempting "humor"?


George, the Koreans and the Germans were trying to break out of their own house. This woman was trying to break into our house. There is a significant difference.

Comparing ICE and the Border Patrol to Stasi is both hyperbolic and disingenuous. You are smart enough to know that.


As to the shooting, why is this any more significant than the police shooting an unarmed suspect (US Citizen) anywhere in the country? This may be a bad shooting, it may be a justifiable shooting. It will be investigated.

Even if it is found to be a bad shoot resulting in discipline for the officer, why make it about immigration? Assuming it was a horrible, unjustifiable bad shooting by an LEO, the issue is hiring and training, more training of LEOs in general, and holding individuals accountable when they srew it up. Its not just about the Border Patrol.

Except to generate some shrill headlines...

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May 28, 2018 09:45:34   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
GeorgeH wrote:
So, the North Koreans who try to escape? The East Germans who braved the Wall? The Jews who fled N**i persecution? (and too often were turned away by the US) The Syrians who leave their country to escape bloody civil war? Are you serious or are just trolling, just stirring the pot? What planet are you from?

Or are you attempting "humor"?


are you serious, Geo?????

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May 28, 2018 09:46:59   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
mwalsh wrote:
George, the Koreans and the Germans were trying to break out of their own house. This woman was trying to break into our house. There is a significant difference.

Comparing ICE and the Border Patrol to Stasi is both hyperbolic and disingenuous. You are smart enough to know that.


As to the shooting, why is this any more significant than the police shooting an unarmed suspect (US Citizen) anywhere in the country? This may be a bad shooting, it may be a justifiable shooting. It will be investigated.

Even if it is found to be a bad shoot resulting in discipline for the officer, why make it about immigration? Assuming it was a horrible, unjustifiable bad shooting by an LEO, the issue is hiring and training, more training of LEOs in general, not just the Border Patrol.

Except to generate some shrill headlines...
George, the Koreans and the Germans were trying to... (show quote)


one thing wrong with your post Walsh ...George is NOT smart enough to know that...or is just being his normal daily dickhead self..

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May 28, 2018 09:50:52   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
wilpharm wrote:
one thing wrong with your post Walsh ...George is NOT smart enough to know that...or is just being his normal daily dickhead self..


Funny, Pharm. You are placing yourself in the camp of those who post only to insult; the people I mentioned my my recent reply to Blurry.

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May 28, 2018 09:52:00   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
wilpharm wrote:
one thing wrong with your post Walsh ...George is NOT smart enough to know that...or is just being his normal daily dickhead self..


While I respect your opinion, you have likely said or at least thought the same of me! LoL


I think I would probably like George if I knew him. I respect his way of communicating his thoughts on here as he is one of our more reasoned and civil participants. I often disagree with him, but that is OK. I would be happy to break bread with him, and we could prolly talk politics without cussing each other out...not a bad thing.

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May 28, 2018 09:52:09   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
GeorgeH wrote:
Funny, Pharm. You are placing yourself in the camp of those who post only to insult; the people I mentioned my my recent reply to Blurry.


maybe you should return to your cave George instead of placing me anywhere...mammy be a waiting for you there..

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May 28, 2018 10:03:52   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
mwalsh wrote:
George, the Koreans and the Germans were trying to break out of their own house. This woman was trying to break into our house. There is a significant difference.

Comparing ICE and the Border Patrol to Stasi is both hyperbolic and disingenuous. You are smart enough to know that.


As to the shooting, why is this any more significant than the police shooting an unarmed suspect (US Citizen) anywhere in the country? This may be a bad shooting, it may be a justifiable shooting. It will be investigated.

Even if it is found to be a bad shoot resulting in discipline for the officer, why make it about immigration? Assuming it was a horrible, unjustifiable bad shooting by an LEO, the issue is hiring and training, more training of LEOs in general, and holding individuals accountable when they srew it up. Its not just about the Border Patrol.

Except to generate some shrill headlines...
George, the Koreans and the Germans were trying to... (show quote)


The young woman who was shot was, to use your analogy, trying to break out of her house, as were the North Koreans and the East Germans. And yes, there are far, far too many bad shootings by police of citizens in the US. BTW, IRRC the Constitution extends its protection to ALL within the US, not just citizens. My comparison of Border agents to the Stasi hyperbolic? Perhaps, but there are incidents of Border patrol agents emptying water caches which might have saved lives. Seems a bit over the top. I wonder how much the incessant anti-hispanic rhetoric of the last year or so is contributing to this sort of behavior by Border agents.

BTW, thanks for not insulting me. I'm certain that others will do that, those who feel that disagreement with them is prima facie evidence of mental deficiency or moral depravity.

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May 28, 2018 10:09:47   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
mwalsh wrote:
While I respect your opinion, you have likely said or at least thought the same of me! LoL


I think I would probably like George if I knew him. I respect his way of communicating his thoughts on here as he is one of our more reasoned and civil participants. I often disagree with him, but that is OK. I would be happy to break bread with him, and we could prolly talk politics without cussing each other out...not a bad thing.


Thanks for the kind words. It is possible to disagree without being childishly obnoxious.

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May 28, 2018 10:13:55   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
GeorgeH wrote:
Thanks for the kind words. It is possible to disagree without being childishly obnoxious.


True.

But it is kinda fun to get obnoxious with some of our more obnoxious colleages on here! LoL At least for me.


I can't imagine you and I going to the gutter in a conversation though!

Have a great day and be blessed.

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