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May 16, 2018 07:42:52   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Well, since he won the presidency, I would say there are a lot of people who disagree with you.


He eked out a victory while losing the popular v**e. That means he won and he is the President. It doesn't speak to his popularity, or maybe it does. The fact that someone as unpopular as Hillary was still able to get more people to v**e for her may speak of his popularity but it sure doesn't support the notion that he is hugely popular. Many of those who did support him support him because he is a mean, lying, c***ting, narcissistic asshole. That you support him isn't even close to being surprising.

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May 16, 2018 08:42:20   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
thom w wrote:
He eked out a victory while losing the popular v**e. That means he won and he is the President. It doesn't speak to his popularity, or maybe it does. The fact that someone as unpopular as Hillary was still able to get more people to v**e for her may speak of his popularity but it sure doesn't support the notion that he is hugely popular. Many of those who did support him support him because he is a mean, lying, c***ting, narcissistic asshole. That you support him isn't even close to being surprising.
He eked out a victory while losing the popular v**... (show quote)


Same as in the past, popular v**e still makes you a looser. She gained the v**es in 3 states, so that doesn't exactly represent the country does it? I support him and will continue to do so. Libtards have another reality where Trump is the big bad wolf and they ignore every success for the country that he accomplishes. I think that makes libtards pretty ignorant.

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May 16, 2018 08:58:02   #
Frosty Loc: Minnesota
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Charles is back, (partially), after many months of battling post surgery complications and enduring lengthy rehabilitation. Please read his message about Trump, whom he has not been kind about at times with his observations. This article is interesting for all who want to see what Dr K has analyzed during his lengthy absence.
“This is from Charles Krauthammer who did not go for Trump, read what he thinks of him now!
Charles Krauthammer's interesting take on Mr. Trump:
To my friends "of a different persuasion" I'm not trying to sell anything or anyone but I do feel this is an interesting take on our very controversial president who I truly believe is not Republican or Democrat.
~ Harris Gardner
A TAKE ON DONALD TRUMP ...
A different take on Donald Trump: (a non-political agenda)
Trump Is Not A Liberal or Conservative, He's a "Pragmatist." (Definition: A pragmatist is someone who is practical and focused on reaching a goal. A pragmatist usually has a straightforward, matter-of-fact approach and doesn't let emotion distract him or her.)
"We recently enjoyed a belated holiday dinner with friends at the home of other friends. The dinner conversation varied from discussions about antique glass and china to theology and politics.
At one point, reference was made to Donald Trump being a conservative, to which I responded that Trump is not a conservative.
I said that I neither view nor do I believe Trump views himself as a conservative. I stated it was my opinion that Trump is a pragmatist. He sees a problem and understands it must be fixed. He doesn't see the problem as liberal or conservative, he sees it only as a problem. That is a quality that should be admired and applauded, not condemned. But I get ahead of myself.
Viewing problems from a Liberal perspective has resulted in the creation of more problems, more entitlement programs, more victims, more government, more political correctness, and more attacks on the working class in all economic strata.
Viewing things according to the so-called Republican conservative perspective has brought continued spending and globalism to the detriment of American interests and well being, denial of what the real problems are, weak, ineffective, milquetoast, leadership that amounts to Barney Fife Deputy Sheriff, appeasement oriented and afraid of its own shadow. In brief, it has brought liberal ideology with a pachyderm as a mascot juxtaposed to the ass of the Democrat Party.
Immigration isn't a Republican problem, it isn't a Liberal problem, it is a problem that threatens the very fabric and infrastructure of America. It demands a pragmatic approach not an approach that is intended to appease one group or another.
The impending collapse of the economy wasn't a Liberal or Conservative problem, it is an American problem. That said, until it is viewed as a problem that demands a common sense approach to resolution, it will never be fixed because the Democrats and Republicans know only one way to fix things and the longevity of their impracticality has proven to have no lasting effect.
Successful businessmen like Donald Trump find ways to make things work, they do not promise to accommodate.
Trump uniquely understands that China's manipulation of currency is not a Republican problem or a Democrat problem. It is a problem that threatens our financial stability and he understands the proper balance needed to fix it.
Here again, successful businessmen, like Trump, who have weathered the changing tides of economic reality understand what is necessary to make business work, and they, unlike both sides of the political aisle, know that if something doesn't work, you don't continue trying to make it work hoping that at some point it will.
As a pragmatist, Donald Trump hasn't made wild pie-in-the-sky promises of a cell phone in every pocket, free college tuition, and a $15 hour minimum wage for working the drive-through at Carl's Hamburgers.
I argue that America needs pragmatists because pragmatists see a problem and find ways to fix them. They do not see a problem and compound it by creating more problems.
You may not like Donald Trump, but I suspect that the reason some people do not like him is because:
(1) he is antithetical to the "good old boy" method of brokering back room deals that fatten the coffers of politicians;
(2) they are unaccustomed to hearing a president speak who is unencumbered by the financial shackles of those who he owes vis-a-vis donations;
(3) he is someone who is free of idiomatic political ideology;
(4) he says what he is thinking, is unapologetic for his outspoken thoughts, speaks very straightforward using everyday language that can be understood by all (and is offensive to some who dislike him anyway) making him a great communicator, for the most part, does what he says he will do and;
(5) he is someone who understands that it takes more than hollow promises and political correctness to make America great again.
Listening to Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders talk about fixing America is like listening to two lunatics trying to "out crazy" one another. Jeb Bush, John Kasich and Marco Rubio are owned lock, stock, and barrel by the bankers, corporations, and big dollar donors funding their campaigns. Bush can deny it, but common sense tells anyone willing to face facts is that people don't give tens of millions without expecting something in return.
We have had Democrats and Republican ideologues and what has it brought us?
Are we better off today or worse off? Has it happened overnight or has it been a steady decline brought on by both parties?
I submit that a pragmatist is just what America needs right now. People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance, but that is common among those who have never accomplished anything in their lives (or politicians who never really solved a problem, because it's better to still have an "issue(s) to be solved," so re-elect me to solve it, (which never happens) and those who have always played it safe (again, all politicians) not willing to risk failure, to try and achieve success).
Donald Trump put his total financial empire at risk in running for president and certainly did not need or possibly even want the job; that says it all. He wants success for the U.S. and her citizens because he loves his country.
God Bless America
~ Dr. Charles Krauthammer
Charles is back, (partially), after many months of... (show quote)


Withb singular focus, trump attacks a problem with no regard for how the solution will affect other problems. He sees anything Obama accomplished as a problem and destroys it. Like most businessmen he fails to see the long term effects, going for short term solutions that results in personal gain. He is destroying our environmental protections, he is eliminating financial rules that protect investors and the economy, he has destroyed the trust our allies have had in us. He has destroyed the agreement numerous countries negotiated to keep Iran from developing a nuclear device. He has plunged th U.S. in deep debt that in the future could destroy our economy but gives it a short term boost and makes him look good. His narrow, shortsighted "solutions" result in long term problems.

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May 16, 2018 09:12:30   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Frosty wrote:
Withb singular focus, trump attacks a problem with no regard for how the solution will affect other problems. He sees anything Obama accomplished as a problem and destroys it. Like most businessmen he fails to see the long term effects, going for short term solutions that results in personal gain. He is destroying our environmental protections, he is eliminating financial rules that protect investors and the economy, he has destroyed the trust our allies have had in us. He has destroyed the agreement numerous countries negotiated to keep Iran from developing a nuclear device. He has plunged th U.S. in deep debt that in the future could destroy our economy but gives it a short term boost and makes him look good. His narrow, shortsighted "solutions" result in long term problems.
Withb singular focus, trump attacks a problem with... (show quote)


OMG....I am in awe, you seem to have all the libtard answers. You speak about him as if you know him well on a personal level. You also seem to be on a personal level with other governments, how they view us, and know they don't like us. OK, libtard put some facts out there to substantiate your claims. How is he personally gaining as president? Did he destroy environmental regulations or remove stupid, costly regulations? Even libtards were against the Iran nuclear deal that obummer penned and had Zero support. How the hell would you know our allies have no trust in us? Typical libtard statements with NOTHING to back it up but your narrow minded opinion, and stated as fact.

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May 16, 2018 09:18:49   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
I agree with the assessment in your first paragraph entry. The remainder of your post is based purely on misinformation on your part which the misinformation originated from the lying Liberal media and their sheep.President Trump and the Republicans requested the individual middle class tax cuts to be permanent. However, they needed 60 v**es to pass that part of the bill in which the Republicans do not have such luxury. If anyone should be blamed, it should be the Democrats because ZERO Senators v**ed for that bill.

Your other misinformation is with the Kansas tax bill, you failed to mention that the Gov did not give business and farmers a tax cut, he gave them tax exemption whereas they do not have to pay taxes. The Governor went way beyond and outside of the Ladder Curve, had he stayed within the boundaries of the Ladder Curve, we would not be having this type of discussion. So no, Kansas is in no way a good example of tje results of the Laffer Curve. By the way, did you know that when Bill Clinton and GWB cut the cap gain tax for the rich, the Government revenue increased dramatically in both instances?
I agree with the assessment in your first paragrap... (show quote)


I am aware of the revenue increase from the Clinton and GWB capital gains tax cuts. The Laffer curve postulates far more comprehensive tax cuts.

Just about the Kansas experiment: See this from Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2017/06/07/the-great-kansas-tax-cut-experiment-crashes-and-burns/#605acb105508 Kansas went from having a comfortable surplus to needing to cut education and other services - we have a friend who's relative had a special needs child. The child died before the Brownback experiment, had she lived longer her parents would have been unable to keep her alive. IIRC Laffer used the infamous curve initially as a teaching tool. Few mainstream economists wholeheartedly accept the Laffer curve.

IF one could know where on the curve the tax rate in question fell, then PERHAPS the curve might work. BTW, Gov Brownback paid Mr Laffer handsomely to journey to Kansas and set up the future fiscal disaster. But then, Louisiana has also tried the Laffer curve with sadly predictable results. See this: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/how-bobby-jindal-wrecked-louisiana/comment-page-1/ I wonder how many more state budgets will crash before the Laffer Experiment is closed out.

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May 16, 2018 09:23:15   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
sb wrote:
And some people don't like him because whether they agree with him or disagree with him, he is still a mean, lying, c***ting, narcissistic asshole.


Kleenex Time still? Loll

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May 16, 2018 09:54:55   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
OF COURSE KRAUTHAMMER DID NOT WRITE THIS MISSIVE!

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/krauthammer-interesting-take-trump/

YOU ARE EASILY FOOLED!



Elaine2025 wrote:
Charles is back, (partially), after many months of battling post surgery complications and enduring lengthy rehabilitation. Please read his message about Trump, whom he has not been kind about at times with his observations. This article is interesting for all who want to see what Dr K has analyzed during his lengthy absence.
“This is from Charles Krauthammer who did not go for Trump, read what he thinks of him now!
Charles Krauthammer's interesting take on Mr. Trump:
To my friends "of a different persuasion" I'm not trying to sell anything or anyone but I do feel this is an interesting take on our very controversial president who I truly believe is not Republican or Democrat.
~ Harris Gardner
A TAKE ON DONALD TRUMP ...
A different take on Donald Trump: (a non-political agenda)
Trump Is Not A Liberal or Conservative, He's a "Pragmatist." (Definition: A pragmatist is someone who is practical and focused on reaching a goal. A pragmatist usually has a straightforward, matter-of-fact approach and doesn't let emotion distract him or her.)
"We recently enjoyed a belated holiday dinner with friends at the home of other friends. The dinner conversation varied from discussions about antique glass and china to theology and politics.
At one point, reference was made to Donald Trump being a conservative, to which I responded that Trump is not a conservative.
I said that I neither view nor do I believe Trump views himself as a conservative. I stated it was my opinion that Trump is a pragmatist. He sees a problem and understands it must be fixed. He doesn't see the problem as liberal or conservative, he sees it only as a problem. That is a quality that should be admired and applauded, not condemned. But I get ahead of myself.
Viewing problems from a Liberal perspective has resulted in the creation of more problems, more entitlement programs, more victims, more government, more political correctness, and more attacks on the working class in all economic strata.
Viewing things according to the so-called Republican conservative perspective has brought continued spending and globalism to the detriment of American interests and well being, denial of what the real problems are, weak, ineffective, milquetoast, leadership that amounts to Barney Fife Deputy Sheriff, appeasement oriented and afraid of its own shadow. In brief, it has brought liberal ideology with a pachyderm as a mascot juxtaposed to the ass of the Democrat Party.
Immigration isn't a Republican problem, it isn't a Liberal problem, it is a problem that threatens the very fabric and infrastructure of America. It demands a pragmatic approach not an approach that is intended to appease one group or another.
The impending collapse of the economy wasn't a Liberal or Conservative problem, it is an American problem. That said, until it is viewed as a problem that demands a common sense approach to resolution, it will never be fixed because the Democrats and Republicans know only one way to fix things and the longevity of their impracticality has proven to have no lasting effect.
Successful businessmen like Donald Trump find ways to make things work, they do not promise to accommodate.
Trump uniquely understands that China's manipulation of currency is not a Republican problem or a Democrat problem. It is a problem that threatens our financial stability and he understands the proper balance needed to fix it.
Here again, successful businessmen, like Trump, who have weathered the changing tides of economic reality understand what is necessary to make business work, and they, unlike both sides of the political aisle, know that if something doesn't work, you don't continue trying to make it work hoping that at some point it will.
As a pragmatist, Donald Trump hasn't made wild pie-in-the-sky promises of a cell phone in every pocket, free college tuition, and a $15 hour minimum wage for working the drive-through at Carl's Hamburgers.
I argue that America needs pragmatists because pragmatists see a problem and find ways to fix them. They do not see a problem and compound it by creating more problems.
You may not like Donald Trump, but I suspect that the reason some people do not like him is because:
(1) he is antithetical to the "good old boy" method of brokering back room deals that fatten the coffers of politicians;
(2) they are unaccustomed to hearing a president speak who is unencumbered by the financial shackles of those who he owes vis-a-vis donations;
(3) he is someone who is free of idiomatic political ideology;
(4) he says what he is thinking, is unapologetic for his outspoken thoughts, speaks very straightforward using everyday language that can be understood by all (and is offensive to some who dislike him anyway) making him a great communicator, for the most part, does what he says he will do and;
(5) he is someone who understands that it takes more than hollow promises and political correctness to make America great again.
Listening to Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders talk about fixing America is like listening to two lunatics trying to "out crazy" one another. Jeb Bush, John Kasich and Marco Rubio are owned lock, stock, and barrel by the bankers, corporations, and big dollar donors funding their campaigns. Bush can deny it, but common sense tells anyone willing to face facts is that people don't give tens of millions without expecting something in return.
We have had Democrats and Republican ideologues and what has it brought us?
Are we better off today or worse off? Has it happened overnight or has it been a steady decline brought on by both parties?
I submit that a pragmatist is just what America needs right now. People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance, but that is common among those who have never accomplished anything in their lives (or politicians who never really solved a problem, because it's better to still have an "issue(s) to be solved," so re-elect me to solve it, (which never happens) and those who have always played it safe (again, all politicians) not willing to risk failure, to try and achieve success).
Donald Trump put his total financial empire at risk in running for president and certainly did not need or possibly even want the job; that says it all. He wants success for the U.S. and her citizens because he loves his country.
God Bless America
~ Dr. Charles Krauthammer
Charles is back, (partially), after many months of... (show quote)

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May 16, 2018 09:57:33   #
EyeSawYou
 
ole sarg wrote:
OF COURSE KRAUTHAMMER DID NOT WRITE THIS MISSIVE!

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/krauthammer-interesting-take-trump/

YOU ARE EASILY FOOLED!


Ummm.....we already delt with this issue.

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May 16, 2018 09:58:35   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
ole sarg wrote:
OF COURSE KRAUTHAMMER DID NOT WRITE THIS MISSIVE!

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/krauthammer-interesting-take-trump/

YOU ARE EASILY FOOLED!


I think i said the moron. State the obvious after I already attributed it to the correct author. Libtard logic.

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May 16, 2018 10:01:03   #
EyeSawYou
 
GeorgeH wrote:
I am aware of the revenue increase from the Clinton and GWB capital gains tax cuts. The Laffer curve postulates far more comprehensive tax cuts.

Just about the Kansas experiment: See this from Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2017/06/07/the-great-kansas-tax-cut-experiment-crashes-and-burns/#605acb105508 Kansas went from having a comfortable surplus to needing to cut education and other services - we have a friend who's relative had a special needs child. The child died before the Brownback experiment, had she lived longer her parents would have been unable to keep her alive. IIRC Laffer used the infamous curve initially as a teaching tool. Few mainstream economists wholeheartedly accept the Laffer curve.

IF one could know where on the curve the tax rate in question fell, then PERHAPS the curve might work. BTW, Gov Brownback paid Mr Laffer handsomely to journey to Kansas and set up the future fiscal disaster. But then, Louisiana has also tried the Laffer curve with sadly predictable results. See this: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/how-bobby-jindal-wrecked-louisiana/comment-page-1/ I wonder how many more state budgets will crash before the Laffer Experiment is closed out.
I am aware of the revenue increase from the Clinto... (show quote)


My goodness you are a stubborn one, I will repeat my above response to your false Kansas equivalency.

"Your other misinformation is with the Kansas tax bill, you failed to mention that the Gov did not give business and farmers a tax cut, he gave them tax exemption whereas they do not have to pay taxes. The Governor went way beyond and outside of the Laffer Curve, had he stayed within the boundaries of the Ladder Curve, we would not be having this type of discussion. So no, Kansas is in no way a good example of tje results of the Laffer Curve."

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May 16, 2018 10:03:18   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
Most of them are so SOS (Stuck on Stupid) that they have a difficult time keeping up. It's a tragic affliction.

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May 16, 2018 10:06:46   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
My goodness you are a stubborn one, I will repeat my above response to your false Kansas equivalency.

"Your other misinformation is with the Kansas tax bill, you failed to mention that the Gov did not give business and farmers a tax cut, he gave them tax exemption whereas they do not have to pay taxes. The Governor went way beyond and outside of the Laffer Curve, had he stayed within the boundaries of the Ladder Curve, we would not be having this type of discussion. So no, Kansas is in no way a good example of tje results of the Laffer Curve."
My goodness you are a stubborn one, I will repeat ... (show quote)


Have you even bothered to read the Forbes article? And the American Conservative article?

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May 16, 2018 11:53:34   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Same as in the past, popular v**e still makes you a looser. She gained the v**es in 3 states, so that doesn't exactly represent the country does it? I support him and will continue to do so. Libtards have another reality where Trump is the big bad wolf and they ignore every success for the country that he accomplishes. I think that makes libtards pretty ignorant.


adjective, looser, loosest.
1.
free or released from fastening or attachment:
a loose end.
2.
free from anything that binds or restrains; unfettered:
loose cats prowling around in alleyways at night.

We weren't discussing who won and who lost. We were discussing Trumps popularity.

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May 16, 2018 12:00:44   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
thom w wrote:
adjective, looser, loosest.
1.
free or released from fastening or attachment:
a loose end.
2.
free from anything that binds or restrains; unfettered:
loose cats prowling around in alleyways at night.

We weren't discussing who won and who lost. We were discussing Trumps popularity.


Perhaps you need to come out into the real world. He won because he was popular, people don't win by being unpopular. Does that make you feel better? According to the news his popularity is climbing. I wonder how big the libtard melt down will be when he wins in 2020. Will it be like last time when the libtards were screaming and crying pledging to leave the country. Unfortunately, none left. By the way your little definition thing is typical libtard. You think you have to give everyone the benefit of your knowledge, because after all, you know everything. You just end up looking like a typical libtard.

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May 16, 2018 12:15:34   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
thom w wrote:
He eked out a victory while losing the popular v**e. Many of those who did support him support him because he is a mean, lying, c***ting, narcissistic asshole. That you support him isn't even close to being surprising.


Damn, Thommie Boi, you've just got us all figured out don'tcha now. [sarcasm] We are all so blessed and privileged to be subject to your valuable insight. [/sarcasm]

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