Camera Raw: I am newbie to Lightroom and I am still woking by war through the steep learning curve. Do I need to load Camera Raw to supplement Lightroom? Thanks...

Fishboss

I am newbie to Lightroom and I am still woking by war through the steep learning curve. Do I need to load Camera Raw to supplement Lightroom? Thanks

Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC

No, CR is built into LR.

Fishboss wrote:

I am newbie to Lightroom and I am still woking by war through the steep learning curve. Do I need to load Camera Raw to supplement Lightroom? Thanks

mborn Loc: Massachusetts

You need ACR if you use PS

tkm

Camera Raw (CR) is the Photoshop (PS) Equivalent of the Lightroom (LR) Develop module. If you only use LR then you will not use CR. But if you want to put photographs from LR into PS for further edits, then you can use CR within PS. The sliders in CR are very similar to the sliders in LR. HTH.

ChuckTin Loc: Ocala Florida

My work flow is camera - storage - ACR - storage - Photoshop.
Can only say how much I hate LR, clutter city. PS I've used so much I know where things are.

rwilson1942 Loc: Houston, TX

The RAW editors in LR and PS (ACR) use the same algorithm, only the interfaces are different.

Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC

There are more controls built into ACR than in LR.

rwilson1942 wrote:

The RAW editors in LR and PS (ACR) use the same algorithm, only the interfaces are different.

mborn Loc: Massachusetts

Brucej67 wrote:

There are more controls built into ACR than in LR.

I find LR Develop module more intuitive than ACR

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

Fishboss wrote:

I am newbie to Lightroom and I am still woking by war through the steep learning curve. Do I need to load Camera Raw to supplement Lightroom? Thanks

Most of Lightroom IS Camera Raw with extra features

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

Fishboss wrote:

I am newbie to Lightroom and I am still woking by war through the steep learning curve. Do I need to load Camera Raw to supplement Lightroom? Thanks

All of the controls in Adobe Camera Raw are in Lightroom and vice versa. They are the same with Lightoom having a faster user interface. Neither has more features or controls than the other.

You don't need to load anything in Lightroom to use it other than the program itself. However, it falls short of being a complete editing solution. Photoshop is, but it falls short of a complete file management solution - the two of them used together will take care of 99% of what you need to do to an image.

A very clean LR workflow with minimal clutter, much less than Photoshop, btw, is the following:

1. Import images from your card to your computer using Lightroom, sending them to the folder of your choosing using the Copy option. You can do this during the import process. You can also specify an import preset that can automatically rename the images and apply some adjustments and add keywords. The renaming really cuts down on the possibility of importing files with duplicate filenames.
2. Cull and rate your images, mark images for deletion if you like.
3. Begin to edit your images.
4. When you have taken the images as far as you can take them in LR, you can use the "Edit In" option to open them in an external processor (I use On1 and Photoshop mostly) at full size, 16 bit ProPhoto color space, psd file to make the local adjustments with a level of precision not possible in a raw converter. Using Edit In preserves as much information as possible in the image, and it adds it to the catalog, right alongside the raw file, viewable in the tiled view or filmstrip. When the image is completed and all adjustments have been made. you can easily compare between the LR-only edits and the final version.
5. When it comes time to share, deliver, display or print the image(s) I go to the final version - the psd file - and use any one of the presets I have defined and saved for exporting. The majority are jpegs, low, medium and high quality, some resampled others not (Facebook, UHH and casual high quality sharing gets a spec that is 70% quality and 2048 on the longest side), Instagram is a square crop, my print lab gets a full sized jpeg at a quality of 9, clients may get psd or tiff files, depending on what they want, club competitions often have a pixel dimension - 1024, 1280 or 1920 on the longest side and a maximum file size of 1 mb or so. In any case, my drives only have the original raw file, the primary derivative psd, and if I do some variants like high-key, low-key monochrome, etc, I will have those as well. But that is not usually the case - for the most part it is just two files - the psd and the raw file.

Using presets in LR is a really fast way of working, and in the case of generating images for distribution, a real "clutter buster" way to work.

People who don't understand how to use LR often get into the weeds, with misplaced files, "missing" files, dupes, missing folders, etc etc etc. This comes from not understanding the catalog logic and execution. I have nearly 200,000 files in my catalog - spanning 18 yrs. Everything is nice and neat. LR haters just haven't taken the time or made the effort to learn it.

Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC

Do you have the dehaze in LR and the camera simulation filters?

Gene51 wrote:

All of the controls in Adobe Camera Raw are in Lightroom and vice versa. They are the same with Lightoom having a faster user interface. Neither has more features or controls than the other.

You don't need to load anything in Lightroom to use it other than the program itself. However, it falls short of being a complete editing solution. Photoshop is, but it falls short of a complete file management solution - the two of them used together will take care of 99% of what you need to do to an image.

A very clean LR workflow with minimal clutter, much less than Photoshop, btw, is the following:

1. Import images from your card to your computer using Lightroom, sending them to the folder of your choosing using the Copy option. You can do this during the import process. You can also specify an import preset that can automatically rename the images and apply some adjustments and add keywords. The renaming really cuts down on the possibility of importing files with duplicate filenames.
2. Cull and rate your images, mark images for deletion if you like.
3. Begin to edit your images.
4. When you have taken the images as far as you can take them in LR, you can use the "Edit In" option to open them in an external processor (I use On1 and Photoshop mostly) at full size, 16 bit ProPhoto color space, psd file to make the local adjustments with a level of precision not possible in a raw converter. Using Edit In preserves as much information as possible in the image, and it adds it to the catalog, right alongside the raw file, viewable in the tiled view or filmstrip. When the image is completed and all adjustments have been made. you can easily compare between the LR-only edits and the final version.
5. When it comes time to share, deliver, display or print the image(s) I go to the final version - the psd file - and use any one of the presets I have defined and saved for exporting. The majority are jpegs, low, medium and high quality, some resampled others not (Facebook, UHH and casual high quality sharing gets a spec that is 70% quality and 2048 on the longest side), Instagram is a square crop, my print lab gets a full sized jpeg at a quality of 9, clients may get psd or tiff files, depending on what they want, club competitions often have a pixel dimension - 1024, 1280 or 1920 on the longest side and a maximum file size of 1 mb or so. In any case, my drives only have the original raw file, the primary derivative psd, and if I do some variants like high-key, low-key monochrome, etc, I will have those as well. But that is not usually the case - for the most part it is just two files - the psd and the raw file.

Using presets in LR is a really fast way of working, and in the case of generating images for distribution, a real "clutter buster" way to work.

People who don't understand how to use LR often get into the weeds, with misplaced files, "missing" files, dupes, missing folders, etc etc etc. This comes from not understanding the catalog logic and execution. I have nearly 200,000 files in my catalog - spanning 18 yrs. Everything is nice and neat. LR haters just haven't taken the time or made the effort to learn it.

All of the controls in Adobe Camera Raw are in Lig... (show quote)

brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky

Gene51 wrote:

All of the controls in Adobe Camera Raw are in Lightroom and vice versa. They are the same with Lightoom having a faster user interface. Neither has more features or controls than the other.

You don't need to load anything in Lightroom to use it other than the program itself. However, it falls short of being a complete editing solution. Photoshop is, but it falls short of a complete file management solution - the two of them used together will take care of 99% of what you need to do to an image.

A very clean LR workflow with minimal clutter, much less than Photoshop, btw, is the following:

1. Import images from your card to your computer using Lightroom, sending them to the folder of your choosing using the Copy option. You can do this during the import process. You can also specify an import preset that can automatically rename the images and apply some adjustments and add keywords. The renaming really cuts down on the possibility of importing files with duplicate filenames.
2. Cull and rate your images, mark images for deletion if you like.
3. Begin to edit your images.
4. When you have taken the images as far as you can take them in LR, you can use the "Edit In" option to open them in an external processor (I use On1 and Photoshop mostly) at full size, 16 bit ProPhoto color space, psd file to make the local adjustments with a level of precision not possible in a raw converter. Using Edit In preserves as much information as possible in the image, and it adds it to the catalog, right alongside the raw file, viewable in the tiled view or filmstrip. When the image is completed and all adjustments have been made. you can easily compare between the LR-only edits and the final version.
5. When it comes time to share, deliver, display or print the image(s) I go to the final version - the psd file - and use any one of the presets I have defined and saved for exporting. The majority are jpegs, low, medium and high quality, some resampled others not (Facebook, UHH and casual high quality sharing gets a spec that is 70% quality and 2048 on the longest side), Instagram is a square crop, my print lab gets a full sized jpeg at a quality of 9, clients may get psd or tiff files, depending on what they want, club competitions often have a pixel dimension - 1024, 1280 or 1920 on the longest side and a maximum file size of 1 mb or so. In any case, my drives only have the original raw file, the primary derivative psd, and if I do some variants like high-key, low-key monochrome, etc, I will have those as well. But that is not usually the case - for the most part it is just two files - the psd and the raw file.

Using presets in LR is a really fast way of working, and in the case of generating images for distribution, a real "clutter buster" way to work.

People who don't understand how to use LR often get into the weeds, with misplaced files, "missing" files, dupes, missing folders, etc etc etc. This comes from not understanding the catalog logic and execution. I have nearly 200,000 files in my catalog - spanning 18 yrs. Everything is nice and neat. LR haters just haven't taken the time or made the effort to learn it.

All of the controls in Adobe Camera Raw are in Lig... (show quote)

This.

Fishboss

Thanks to all for your replies. I understand it a little more each day.

P3

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

Brucej67 wrote:

Do you have the dehaze in LR and the camera simulation filters?

Yes. In the camera raw filter and in ACR you have Dehaze. By camera simulation filters are you talking about the preset library? Or Camera Profiles?

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1511565626/adobe-releases-massive-update-to-camera-profiles-in-acr-and-lightroom

The attached image is from Adobe Camera Raw.

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Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC

Good to know. I have the OnOne presets, and some LR presets, but never thought of adding them to ACR thank you for sharing I will put it to good use.

Gene51 wrote:

Yes. In the camera raw filter and in ACR you have Dehaze. By camera simulation filters are you talking about the preset library? Or Camera Profiles?

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1511565626/adobe-releases-massive-update-to-camera-profiles-in-acr-and-lightroom

The attached image is from Adobe Camera Raw.