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May 3, 2018 15:08:37   #
mikedent Loc: Florida
 
paris- when you mention "focus merging", is that the same as "stacking" images to get best sharpness?

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May 3, 2018 20:57:02   #
parishard
 
Yes. 'Focus merging' are the words that AFFINITY uses. I don't have a problem with the use of either phrase

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May 3, 2018 21:32:17   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Bob Locher wrote:
I had been doing post processing, using "Affinity" on my Dell 17" laptop. And in truth it worked fairly well. But on several occasions I was quite dissatisfied and decided to bite the bullet and try for a better system.

It has all come together, and I offer here my approach to getting a good system on the cheap.

First - the computer. What started this approach was finding a refurbished computer on Amazon that seemed to offer terrific specifications for a very modest price. I had been pricing out a similar system at Dell, and found myself looking at a price closing in on $1000 - and then I would still need a monitor.

The refurbished computer was a HP 8200 low profile tower. It was offered with an Intel Quad Core i-5 processor running at 3.1 gHz., with a 1 terabyte hard drive, a 256 gigabyte Solid State Drive, 8 gigabytes of RAM, a DVD drive, a bunch of USB ports, and Windows 10 Professional. All of this was offered at US $285.00, shipping included. It did NOT have WiFi, tending to prove it was used in either a corporate or a government environment. But a WiFi adapter that plugged into USB was US $17.00

It was too good a deal to pass up - I bit. It came in in about a week. The case suggested the computer was clearly not new - but then it was not promised to be. On the other hand the inside was immaculate. I hooked up an old monitor and fired it up - all worked perfectly. Except I got nastigrams from Microsoft that the Windows 10 Professional had not been registered. Well, the limited documentation that came with the computer did state that this might be the case, and gave simple instructions on registering the Windows system, using the Windows sticker number on the side of the computer, and five minutes later that was done.

I never hooked up the WiFi card - the computer is set up about 5 feet from my router so I simply used an Ethernet cable and all was well.

Right - but the monitor I had was no better than the one on my lap top. I researched monitors on the internet, and decided that the BenQ PD2700Q with its 2560 X 1440 was about the sweet spot for size, resolution, technology and capability, and offered on Amazon at US $329.00 Ouch - more than the computer! I went to eBay to see what I could find. And there it was - the selfsame identical BenQ monitor being offered by BenQ direct as a refurbished version for US $ 235.45, shipping included, and with a full manufacturer's warranty. I ordered it.

That still left one hole in the package - a video card. The HP computer included on-board VGA video, but that is an analog standard with a maximum resolution far below the capability of the BenQ monitor. I studied this carefully. There are a number of video cards offered at between $100 and 300 US - again, budget busters - but they are designed for gamers and feature terrific speed. They also use a lot of power. Well, I am not a gamer - this computer is intended primarily for Post Processing, and while I desire speed, it need be nothing like the 60 - 80 frames per second the gamer cards offer. Also, the gamer cards use a lot of power, more than the HP computer power supply would be comfortable with.

Long story short I ended up buying a PNY Nvidia GeForce 710 card. I went to the local BestBuy to get their confirmation that it would work, and bought it for US $49.38. They were asking $59 for it but cheerfully matched Amazon's price. The card came with the required low-profile brackets, which I had to install myself, that requiring 10 minutes with a pliers and a screwdriver. There was one aspect I was concerned about - the specs for the card said it should only be used with a computer having a 300 watt power supply. Well, the HP has a 240 watt supply. I won't bore you with the details, but I did some further research that in the end demonstrated to my satisfaction that the computer had the power reserve to handle the video card without problem.

The video car included a VGA output, so I installed the card, hooked up my old monitor to the new VGA port, then downloaded the video drivers and installed them. All was well.

Two days later the monitor arrived, in perfect condition in every way. I hooked everything up, but this time instead of the analog VGA output I used the HDMI output, with the supplied cable from BenQ, and turned on the power. I would have expected to say it was anticlimactic - but it wasn't! The monitor performance is beautiful - stunning to my eye - every bit as much as I had hoped for, and more than I expected.

I had loaded Affinity to the new computer already, as well as FastStone, and put both through their paces. Beautiful.

And that is my story - I have assembled a very good PP computer setup for less than the cost of one of many good zoom lenses. It certainly is not top of the line - for that level think 3000 - 4000 US dollars and more - maybe lots more. But it is a very solid system. I see no reason why it won't give me years of performance and satisfaction.

This project might be bit bit much for someone who has no skills at all in working with computer hardware, but only a very modest level of skill is required. There are plenty of YouTube videos showing all you need. Or, the neighborhood geek could do this with his eyes closed, probably for the price of a pizza.

One last note - the computer I bought can be had without the SSD drive for about US $ 90 less - but I love the quick boot time of the SSD, enough to pay the extra.

Here are some links to what I got:

The Computer: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0763LLRPK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The Monitor: https://www.ebay.com/itm/BenQ-PD2700Q-27-1440p-Designer-Monitor-Refurbished/152684170395?hash=item238caf8c9b:g:sd8AAOSwAP1anSW6

The video card: https://www.amazon.com/PNY-NVIDIA-GeForce-Profile-PCI-Express/dp/B01B2300O4/ref=pd_sbs_147_19?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01B2300O4&pd_rd_r=5WMNHGX3W5FGCCFN0C40&pd_rd_w=ShT7h&pd_rd_wg=xTfyu&psc=1&refRID=5WMNHGX3W5FGCCFN0C40

I have no stock in, or any other form of interest or compensation from any of the above in any form. All I can promise you is that this set-up works for me and I am delighted with it. Cheers!
I had been doing post processing, using "Affi... (show quote)


Bob, that’s a lot of work for a computer, but hey, you’re happy with it!!!
I’m not a computer guy so I don’t attach a lot of importance on my computers. I feel computer people spend WAY to much on that stuff. It’s not a chainsaw or a lawn mower for God’s sake.
My computer is basically like yours only it’s a quad core i7 but not as many USBs.
I paid $600 for it new about 4 years ago including a cheap monitor, from Costco online. It did come with 24/7 online help which I’ve used several times so they could tell me to reboot the darn thing!! LoL
I will say, I’ve had an hp before and will NEVER buy another hp product. As soon as the warranty runs out they charge you just to talk to you, good luck with that one.
It should be great for photos though, mine is! But the 1 tb fills pretty quick!!! LoL
Good luck!
SS

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May 4, 2018 10:43:02   #
Bob Locher Loc: Southwest Oregon
 
Thanks SS. Frankly I would be really surprised to hear of *ANY* computer company that would give telephone tech support for a computer out of warranty. But for almost any issue, Google - or Bing - is your friend.

About the computer - the whole project really is about the monitor. The monitor as referenced above is a 27" high resolution unit with a wide aspect ratio. The difference between it and a basic monitor is huge. It is everything I had reasonably hoped for.

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May 5, 2018 23:36:07   #
Stardust Loc: Central Illinois
 
dpullum wrote:
I recall when 250 meg was a big hard drive... and memory was 128 meg. 8088,,, then came the wow fast 286 CPU !!! Ran at 8 meg Turbo at 12 meg

Like Virginia Slims ad said... "We have come a long way, Baby"

You had a sweet machine. :-) My first 8086 XT came with a 20Mb HD and 640Kb of Ram. Added to 1 Mb so could view photos in VGA vs CGA. Remember going to Dayton (Ohio) Hamvention and "stealing" a 20 Mb HD for $320 but doubled my HD space. Today a whole cheap computer goes for that. Remember when I got my 486 at 33 MHz I had to use "dir/p" vs "dir" to read the file scroll in DOS because it was so fast. Today my watch is faster!

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May 6, 2018 13:38:53   #
Bob Locher Loc: Southwest Oregon
 
Thanks! And we may well have met at Dayton. Went for many years.

Anyhow, I am convinced that today the real limits of personal computing for most personal users are the speed of one's internet connection, and in the case of still photographers, the monitor and its resolution. A fast computer from 5 or 8 years ago is still an extremely capable machine for today. Gamers need speed in their computers, video cards and monitors. Cad/Cam users and many other graphics users need processing power. People doing PP in video need power and speed too.

But I, at least, don't need the latest and greatest. Frankly I had a lot of fun getting the subject computer set-up together. Now I am having fun learning Affinity though I have to confess the learning comes slowly. I am 75 years old, finally fully retired two years ago, and now learning how to smell the flowers, take pictures of our beautiful world, and hopefully make them look great.

Life is good. The adventure continues!

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May 13, 2018 15:33:35   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
Stardust wrote:
You had a sweet machine. :-) My first 8086 XT came with a 20Mb HD and 640Kb of Ram. Added to 1 Mb so could view photos in VGA vs CGA. Remember going to Dayton (Ohio) Hamvention and "stealing" a 20 Mb HD for $320 but doubled my HD space. Today a whole cheap computer goes for that. Remember when I got my 486 at 33 MHz I had to use "dir/p" vs "dir" to read the file scroll in DOS because it was so fast. Today my watch is faster!

My first was a Northstar Advantage. Then I started "moving up". A Zenith PC had a real motherboard- nothing on it but bus slots. Want a serial port- buy a card. A cpu, a video out, some memory- 3 more cards. Remember "debug g=c800" (I forget the rest!) to prep your hard drive? I had moved recently and found a receipt- Seagate ST225 20mb hdd for $225. Then I got the RLL card to replace the MFM and got 30mb out of it. Whee! And my (6mhz overclocked to 8.5) 286 killed a lot of my games for being so fast.
*sigh*
The newest fastest computers and video cards are needed to deal with the newest games. A couple hundred more buckazoids won't make your Internet connection, reading or typing any faster. This is a dual quad Xeon MacPro @ 10 years old this year- and it kicks butt still.
As long as you're not playing games like Witcher3, Forza3 or DeusEx you won't notice.

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