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Apr 30, 2018 07:18:46   #
Nikonman44
 
Gene51 wrote:
Well, there are books written on this subject, but I will try and keep this concise and appropriate to your photography. Your studio posed shots are pretty good, as are most of your images where you are shooting in good light.

Yes, your low light images could use some help. You should minimize your use of the 80D in dark venues. While 3200 ISO is no problem for the 6D, it will be for the 80D.

If you need to use flash, bounce it whenever possible, or at the very least use a Rogue Flashbender or Better Bounce Card - the largest they make, and get in as close as possible to your subjects. when you have shots in front of the church which show the inside of the church, it's ok to adjust your flash for lower output and/or drag the shutter (use a slower shutter speed to allow more ambient light into the composition.

Off camera flash almost always looks better and more interesting (and professional) than on or near camera flash (like a flash bracket). Bouncing the flash, if the situation allows, will provide the most flattering light.

Watch your ISO. Shoot raw and adjust your noise and sharpening balance in post processing, before you convert to jpeg. Watch out for color - low level incandescent light is orange if you shoot with a flash and the camera is close to daylight or flash white balance. In those situations I use anywhere from a 3/4 CTO to as much as 1+1/4 CTO gel on the flash.


well spoken and should be heeded. The colour from the different lights is as important a point as any. Naked eye sees the slight variations but adjust in the brain. on the camera you have to be the brain

Depending on the venue if the ambient light is somewhat consistent, you might be able to get away using a dual-illuminant camera profile made with a ColorChecker Passport. You make a balanced profile for your flash - you only have to do that once, unless you notice different color at different power settings, then you make one for each. For the ambient light, you can make however many you need to cover the conditions. When you go to use the profile, use the CCP's software to create a dual illuminant profile which will resolve the two different colored light sources. I've used it and it does a decent job, and is a lot faster than fixing it in post processing.

These two guys really know their lighting which you can tell from their images, and it pays to look at their work and deconstruct what they have done.

https://neilvn.com/tangents/wedding-photography-tutorials/
https://neilvn.com/tangents/flash-photography-techniques/
https://neilvn.com/tangents/category/posing/

http://www.duenkel.com/
https://photosuccess.com/2016/08/03/lighting-techniques-with-fuzzy-duenkel/

The first guy's work can lean a bit more towards fashion style, the second just looks incredibly natural - both understand facial structure, light and shadow, posing, and mixing ambient and flash - it helps to compare your own work to someone who clearly has mastered the aspects of their work that you can aspire to.
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Apr 30, 2018 18:25:56   #
frjack Loc: Boston, MA
 
I've celebrated about fifteen weddings and a number of other special liturgies in eleven years as a priest. Here's my take.

I've never had a problem with a pro photographer at a wedding, my primary experience with photographers. Communication between priest and photographer is important. It should not take long and can be done at the rehearsal, if the photog is there and the priest is conducting the rehearsal, or before the wedding. My only inviolable rule is that the photographer may not step into the sanctuary or get behind me during the Mass or vows. Everything else is negotiable. Love the announcement of no photos from the parents that you mentioned. Would love to hear the same thing before a wedding. Let the pro be a pro.

Flash may be distracting to the priest during Mass. However, as every sanctuary in which I've ever celebrated Mass has been well-lit, adjusting ISO should get good results. I did a lot of non-flash photography in Ljubljana during specific liturgies last year. The church was much less well-lit than is the norm in the U.S. The ceiling was three or four stories above the floor. The windows were clear (long story involving communists) so that the natural light during the day was between good, great, and wayyyy too bright depending on the sun. I prayed for overcast. Never needed to take ISO above 1200-1600 on an Olympus E-5, even during some of the evening liturgies in the winter. Now using EM-1 Mark ii. With the superb in-body image stabilization I probably wouldn't have to go above 1000 with an f 2.8-4 unless there were a lot of movement. Even less with an f 1.4 50 mm equivalent. Never use a flash during the consecration or when the sacred elements are being elevated. Most priests are saying the prayers during that part from memory. Distraction not needed at that point.

Flash during the post-ceremony photos is no problem for me. Be sure to know the policy of the church as it may be a problem there. For example, the Wren Chapel at the College of William and Mary has strict regulations vis-a-vis photography. As it is unlikely that I will ever be celebrant at a first communion (I do not work in a parish) I'll make no comment.

For a baptism outside of Mass I will talk with the photographer to detail the parts of the ceremony and tell him or her where to stand for the best shots during chrismation and the baptism itself. Ideally no flash in part to prevent startling the baby. If the baptism is part of the Mass, same basic idea as during a wedding.

If you are contracted to photograph an ordination or some other unusual liturgy try to read through the ritual beforehand or talk to someone who can tell you what is going to happen. The man who shot our ordination did an excellent job with the extreme complexity and movement during the Mass.

Be unobtrusive, something every pro photographer I've worked with has been. When shooting in Ljubljana I wore black. Because the floor was uncarpeted concrete I put on two pair of black socks so I could go shoeless and avoid squeaking or clicking. If the church has a choir loft ask if you can go up there at some point. Great perspective.

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Apr 30, 2018 20:19:55   #
coolhoosier Loc: Dover, NH, USA
 
frjack wrote:
I've celebrated about fifteen weddings and a number of other special liturgies in eleven years as a priest. Here's my take.

I've never had a problem with a pro photographer at a wedding, my primary experience with photographers. Communication between priest and photographer is important. It should not take long and can be done at the rehearsal, if the photog is there and the priest is conducting the rehearsal, or before the wedding. My only inviolable rule is that the photographer may not step into the sanctuary or get behind me during the Mass or vows. Everything else is negotiable. Love the announcement of no photos from the parents that you mentioned. Would love to hear the same thing before a wedding. Let the pro be a pro.

Flash may be distracting to the priest during Mass. However, as every sanctuary in which I've ever celebrated Mass has been well-lit, adjusting ISO should get good results. I did a lot of non-flash photography in Ljubljana during specific liturgies last year. The church was much less well-lit than is the norm in the U.S. The ceiling was three or four stories above the floor. The windows were clear (long story involving communists) so that the natural light during the day was between good, great, and wayyyy too bright depending on the sun. I prayed for overcast. Never needed to take ISO above 1200-1600 on an Olympus E-5, even during some of the evening liturgies in the winter. Now using EM-1 Mark ii. With the superb in-body image stabilization I probably wouldn't have to go above 1000 with an f 2.8-4 unless there were a lot of movement. Even less with an f 1.4 50 mm equivalent. Never use a flash during the consecration or when the sacred elements are being elevated. Most priests are saying the prayers during that part from memory. Distraction not needed at that point.

Flash during the post-ceremony photos is no problem for me. Be sure to know the policy of the church as it may be a problem there. For example, the Wren Chapel at the College of William and Mary has strict regulations vis-a-vis photography. As it is unlikely that I will ever be celebrant at a first communion (I do not work in a parish) I'll make no comment.

For a baptism outside of Mass I will talk with the photographer to detail the parts of the ceremony and tell him or her where to stand for the best shots during chrismation and the baptism itself. Ideally no flash in part to prevent startling the baby. If the baptism is part of the Mass, same basic idea as during a wedding.

If you are contracted to photograph an ordination or some other unusual liturgy try to read through the ritual beforehand or talk to someone who can tell you what is going to happen. The man who shot our ordination did an excellent job with the extreme complexity and movement during the Mass.

Be unobtrusive, something every pro photographer I've worked with has been. When shooting in Ljubljana I wore black. Because the floor was uncarpeted concrete I put on two pair of black socks so I could go shoeless and avoid squeaking or clicking. If the church has a choir loft ask if you can go up there at some point. Great perspective.
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So there you have it. I'll defer to everything said above.

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