Has anyone switched from M43 to Sony FF Mirrorless?
Apr 28, 2018 08:30:58 #
As my photography education progresses, I am beginning to seriously consider transitioning from M43 to FF, primarily to improve DOF control, and low light shooting, as well as overall image quality improvement. It seems there’s a 3D quality to images produced by a FF sensor that I’d really like to achieve, and am currently not able to get with my M43. I currently have some pro glass, and I know there would be some improvement with fast primes, but I’m hesitant to invest more in this platform if I’m not going to stay with it. Since I’ve grown accustomed to an EVF, I’m looking at Sony (A7RIII) as a possible option. So, I’m wondering if anyone else has been in this position, what you decided to do about it, and what your results were. Thanks in advance for your help, I really appreciate any advice I can get.
Apr 28, 2018 08:36:01 #
It would be interesting to see someone does that. In my opinion people who are into M43 are not interested in FF because to them M43 is FF of a different format.
Apr 28, 2018 08:47:39 #
BebuLamar wrote:
It would be interesting to see someone does that. In my opinion people who are into M43 are not interested in FF because to them M43 is FF of a different format.
Correct.
Apr 28, 2018 08:53:27 #
Pat F 4119 wrote:
As my photography education progresses, I am begin... (show quote)
What body are you currently using?
If you need low light and razor thin DOF, then Ff is what you should working with. Although the latest f1.2 glass for m4/3 helps narrow the gap for thin DOF photography. I’ve also heard of people switching to the Sony platform, only to see them come back a few months later. Happens all the time over at mu-43.com.
Apr 28, 2018 09:04:24 #
BebuLamar wrote:
It would be interesting to see someone does that. In my opinion people who are into M43 are not interested in FF because to them M43 is FF of a different format.
Huh!? What do people with 24MP APS-C cameras think they have? Do they hallucinate too?
Having done 35mm Film Photography for ages I know exactly what CF & FF are and do. I've never used a half-frame 35mm camera, but medium and large formats yes. I tend to see M 4/3 as a digital half frame.
Apr 28, 2018 09:13:47 #
I’m currently using an Olympus EM1MKII with an Oly pro 12-100mm f4 as my walk around lens and an Oly pro 7-14mm f2.8 for real estate work.
Apr 28, 2018 09:21:21 #
lamiaceae wrote:
Huh!? What do people with 24MP APS-C cameras think they have? Do they hallucinate too?
Having done 35mm Film Photography for ages I know exactly what CF & FF are and do. I've never used a half-frame 35mm camera, but medium and large formats yes. I tend to see M 4/3 as a digital half frame.
Having done 35mm Film Photography for ages I know exactly what CF & FF are and do. I've never used a half-frame 35mm camera, but medium and large formats yes. I tend to see M 4/3 as a digital half frame.
No some of those APS-C cameras (notice that I say some and not all) are crop. The M43 are full frame.
Apr 28, 2018 09:22:21 #
Pat F 4119 wrote:
I’m currently using an Olympus EM1MKII with an Oly pro 12-100mm f4 as my walk around lens and an Oly pro 7-14mm f2.8 for real estate work.
Well if you can’t get the look you want from that setup, then you may still struggle a bit with ff. How’s your post processing skills and I’m assuming you’re shooting raw? Is it the real estate photos thats the most concerning? Are you using remote flashes or relying on natural light?
Apr 28, 2018 09:29:25 #
Yes, I shoot raw and use LR for post. My skill level is improving, but I’m sure there is still a lot to learn. I have used natural light primarily, but have just started working with off-camera flash, which has helped a bit.
Apr 28, 2018 13:56:43 #
Pat F 4119 wrote:
Yes, I shoot raw and use LR for post. My skill level is improving, but I’m sure there is still a lot to learn. I have used natural light primarily, but have just started working with off-camera flash, which has helped a bit.
Get some remote triggers and flashes (I usually use a minimum of 2 off camera flashes with my cactus v5 remotes, and stop down to f5.6-8 on the 7-14 and keep the iso as low as possible for better IQ. I also use stands, umbrellas and reflectors depending on the situation with my Fl-36 and 600 flashes. Learning how to properly light up an interior with your current setup will be better than a ff body with natural light only.
Apr 28, 2018 16:50:06 #
I’m actually taking a class now on off-camera flash, so I’ll give multiple flashes a try and see what happens. Thanks!
Apr 29, 2018 05:20:43 #
wdross
Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
Pat F 4119 wrote:
As my photography education progresses, I am begin... (show quote)
I'm afraid I am with Cdouthitt. If you go to FF, I think you will come back to 4/3rds. There are some that have switched and stayed, but not many. Try Cdouthitt's suggestions. Also the Olympus FL-900 I believe is on sale until 5/5. Two of them are expensive, but can shoot off camera using the Olympus IR system. I bought one FL-900 to complement the FL-600 I have.
Apr 29, 2018 06:44:54 #
Thanks. I actually have the FL900 and I agree, it was expensive. In our class last week, the instructor suggested the Flashpoint flash, which is Adorama’s private label, and is only $159. I wish I had know about this before purchasing my Olympus. I’ll have to do more research to determine the differences, but at least it could be a good option for second flash.
Apr 29, 2018 08:41:15 #
Pat F 4119 wrote:
As my photography education progresses, I am begin... (show quote)
Have you tried a search on YouTube? As you probably appreciate, most M43 users have moved from FF. With respect to low light, try over exposing by 0.3 stops or so, as it's easier to control noise in lighter than darker areas in LR. I have just put a series of a Herring Gull with a fish taken at ISO 5000 on the Olympus EM1-II site on Facebook. I use a Nikon D500 in tandem with my EM1 mark II and generally can't tell which image was shot by which camera. A couple of days ago I took as near as possible identical images with my EM1,2 + Oly 300mm f4 and my D500 + Nikkor 200 - 500mm f5.6 and the bokah was almost indistinguishable. If, however, you are going to change to Sony, have you considered the A7III? It looks the biz at a very reasonable £2000.00.
Apr 29, 2018 08:51:50 #
Cdouthitt wrote:
What body are you currently using?
If you need low light and razor thin DOF, then Ff is what you should working with. Although the latest f1.2 glass for m4/3 helps narrow the gap for thin DOF photography. I’ve also heard of people switching to the Sony platform, only to see them come back a few months later. Happens all the time over at mu-43.com.
If you need low light and razor thin DOF, then Ff is what you should working with. Although the latest f1.2 glass for m4/3 helps narrow the gap for thin DOF photography. I’ve also heard of people switching to the Sony platform, only to see them come back a few months later. Happens all the time over at mu-43.com.
Most folks switching to FF Sony are NOT coming back to micro 4/3. check your facts here. Full frame will beat micro 4/3 and next larger APS-C by a wide margin for less noise and better low light performance and ultimate resolution. Tony Northrup explains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJKYsli1Ihg&t=276s
Right now the best ff mirrorless price/performance value is the Sony A7III. I personally have both the A7RIII and the A7III. There are a ton of quality lenses available now for Sony's E-Mount from Sony, Sigma,Tamron, Samyang/Rokinon, Meike, Loawa etc. so that is no longer a factor like it was three years ago.
The main advantage to the A7RIII over the A7III is the 42 megapixel sensor of the A7RIII vs the 24 megapixel sensor of the A7III. If you don't really need that ultimate 42 megapixel sensor, i would recommend the A7III, saving you $1200 dollars which you could put towards buying a nice lens like the Sony 24-105mm f4.
https://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-7rm3
https://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-7m3-body-kit
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