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Apr 27, 2018 06:09:55   #
GARGLEBLASTER Loc: Spain
 
If I were he and I saw this, I would:

https://www.nio.io/ep9

It's certainly better looking that anything that Teslas has produced so far and as far as performance.....................


06:45.900 NÜRBURGRING NORDSCHLEIFE LAP RECORD GERMANY, MAY 12th 2017

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Apr 27, 2018 06:27:54   #
stevesf
 
Per a reliable financial investment researcher I know, China knows it cannot compete with Western Europe/Germany for internal combustion power, so they are concentrated on battery car development, and are well along.
Tesla is not considered a viable mass market solution, and is thought by some to be a marketing concept.

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Apr 27, 2018 06:52:38   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Yes, that is a concern. China is looking toward the future, while we seem to be stuck in the past. Make no waves and concentrate on making maximum profit.

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Apr 27, 2018 08:09:44   #
Skiextreme2 Loc: Northwest MA
 
With a cost of $1.2 million each to build, and the fact that it will never be a consumer vehicle, I don't think he has much to worry about. Travel range for that one is 265 miles and it has a battery that charges in 45 minutes. Those two facts might make Musk worry a bit, as it seems they are producing better batteries.

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Apr 27, 2018 08:20:21   #
Bison Bud
 
I'm sorry, but I just don't get the whole electric car thing, especially as a "Green Solution." Unless they are charging from a "Green" source such as wind or solar generators, then the power they use is still generated by fossil fuels and I doubt that lowers anyone's "Carbon Footprint" or air pollution for that matter." Then there's the whole battery thing in that even rechargeable batteries do wear out and since most of them contain toxic chemicals that are very bad for the environment, their manufacture and ultimate disposal becomes a real problem and possibly a bigger overall polluter than the internal combustion engine if they become common place, especially to the water systems we all depend on.

Meanwhile, I will admit to the fact that the electric car's performance is beginning to become attractive, especially when one can avoid all the road usage taxes everyone else pays when they buy their gas! Frankly, I think the real future of electric cars is with hydrogen fuel cells and they are making some big advances in that area. However, it's still going to be awhile before this technology comes to the forefront. I guess until then, the battery cars are going to be an attractive alternate to some, but I don't see this as a good thing for the environment and don't feel that those that do have really thought the situation through.

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Apr 27, 2018 18:09:41   #
DaveC1 Loc: South East US
 
The key to electric automobile performance is that electric motors produce 100% torque at 0 rpm and have an extremely broad torque curve unlike internal combustion engines.

That's also one reason the total efficiency of a steam plant/electric grid/ battery charging/automobile system is more efficient than pouring gasoline in the tank of an automobile.

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Apr 28, 2018 06:09:17   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
One thing of interest with electric vehicles is that users seem to think that there will be no road users tax (whether extracted through fuel taxes or whatever). How on earth do you think any government isn't going to work out a way to charge another way to make up for this huge drop in income ? If you think there will be no charge then you are dreaming. I have found that with fossil fuels in particular that when you work out equivalent performance to energy content most fuels tend to have a similar cost. One way might be to increase the cost of electricity to equivalent value (which would not make me very happy). Or maybe charging stations will have a meter downloaded somewhere and you pay extra for power used this way. Or hub meters connected and read every 10,000 miles. Who knows ? But fuel taxes pay for roads and although an electric vehicle may cause a less little damage to roads than petrol powered vehicles you still need roads and they have to be paid for somehow.
However they do it you won't like it .

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Apr 28, 2018 07:18:56   #
Skiextreme2 Loc: Northwest MA
 
chrissybabe wrote:
One thing of interest with electric vehicles is that users seem to think that there will be no road users tax (whether extracted through fuel taxes or whatever). How on earth do you think any government isn't going to work out a way to charge another way to make up for this huge drop in income ? If you think there will be no charge then you are dreaming. I have found that with fossil fuels in particular that when you work out equivalent performance to energy content most fuels tend to have a similar cost. One way might be to increase the cost of electricity to equivalent value (which would not make me very happy). Or maybe charging stations will have a meter downloaded somewhere and you pay extra for power used this way. Or hub meters connected and read every 10,000 miles. Who knows ? But fuel taxes pay for roads and although an electric vehicle may cause a less little damage to roads than petrol powered vehicles you still need roads and they have to be paid for somehow.
However they do it you won't like it .
One thing of interest with electric vehicles is th... (show quote)


Agree on that point... they WILL find a way to get more money from us

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Apr 28, 2018 07:20:06   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
From whom did they steal the technology ????




GARGLEBLASTER wrote:
If I were he and I saw this, I would:

https://www.nio.io/ep9

It's certainly better looking that anything that Teslas has produced so far and as far as performance.....................


06:45.900 NÜRBURGRING NORDSCHLEIFE LAP RECORD GERMANY, MAY 12th 2017

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Apr 28, 2018 07:42:39   #
Skiextreme2 Loc: Northwest MA
 
foathog wrote:
From whom did they steal the technology ????


Well if we don't have the tech yet and nobody else does, they probably didn't. If I'm not mistaken, many advanced electronics seemed to originate in Asian countries in the past. Think TV's, cell phones, etc.

"China that is catching up to us on every front where it hasn’t already surpassed us".

https://www.citylab.com/life/2011/10/worlds-leading-nations-innovation-and-technology/224/

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Apr 28, 2018 08:31:16   #
Fotoserj Loc: St calixte Qc Ca
 
And I bet they’re already working on it, and most of that money’s will go to their friend in the petroleum industry to compensate lost in revenue

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Apr 28, 2018 08:52:42   #
Skiextreme2 Loc: Northwest MA
 
Yep

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Apr 28, 2018 08:57:35   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
I am driving from Boca Raton FL to Seattle. Don't think an electric will serve my purposes. Electric, I think, is for urban transportation and that is great but for a nice road trip - forgetaboutit

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Apr 28, 2018 09:22:51   #
Anthony Jr Loc: Spokane Wa area
 
Washington State is already testing a system where The people pay per the mile plus the gas tax. Also the gas tax that they have now will not be reduced for 15 to 20 years. Washington State wants to be just like California in having retired people move out of the state with only working people there to support the over paid politicians. The State and county Property went up 10 percent this year.
chrissybabe wrote:
One thing of interest with electric vehicles is that users seem to think that there will be no road users tax (whether extracted through fuel taxes or whatever). How on earth do you think any government isn't going to work out a way to charge another way to make up for this huge drop in income ? If you think there will be no charge then you are dreaming. I have found that with fossil fuels in particular that when you work out equivalent performance to energy content most fuels tend to have a similar cost. One way might be to increase the cost of electricity to equivalent value (which would not make me very happy). Or maybe charging stations will have a meter downloaded somewhere and you pay extra for power used this way. Or hub meters connected and read every 10,000 miles. Who knows ? But fuel taxes pay for roads and although an electric vehicle may cause a less little damage to roads than petrol powered vehicles you still need roads and they have to be paid for somehow.
However they do it you won't like it .
One thing of interest with electric vehicles is th... (show quote)

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Apr 28, 2018 11:50:58   #
rplain1 Loc: Dayton, Oh.
 
ole sarg wrote:
I am driving from Boca Raton FL to Seattle. Don't think an electric will serve my purposes. Electric, I think, is for urban transportation and that is great but for a nice road trip - forgetaboutit
Well, this last winter we drove from Dayton, OH to Houston, then to
San Diego, back across country to Florida and back to Dayton. It wasn't electric but it was hybrid and averaged over 60 mpg for the trip.

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