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Apr 11, 2018 10:36:27   #
donrosshill Loc: Delaware & Florida
 
An interesting article with many options. I will be waiting in line with a lot of other people to buy some of the used DSLR cameras. Looks like a good opportunity to upgrade.
Don

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Apr 11, 2018 10:47:27   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Bill_de wrote:
I don't follow Canon that much. Are you saying a Canon user can buy a Canon mirrorless and use their old lenses with full functionality, or are they crippled? If they have full functionality that is a game changer. Otherwise it's just another wannabe solution.

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Ironically, three years ago I switched from Canon back to Pentax, the one company showing no interest in MILC - see the DPReview interview with them
https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/3329510590/ricoh-interview-the-development-of-the-k-series-is-our-first-priority
but I have continued to follow Canon. When they first released their EOS-M system, they also released a full-function adapter
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/883406-REG/Canon_6098b002_EF_M_Lens_Adapter_Kit.html
Since so much functionality is lens-based in their systems, I believe the phrase fully compatible with all lens functions, including image stabilization and autofocus implies "full-functionality", but until now they hadn't had a body worthy of their EF lenses.

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Apr 11, 2018 11:11:04   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
I switched for the better overall image quality


How is image quality affected by the presence of a mirror?


gwilliams6 wrote:
the better features including EVF


How is EVF better than optical? I would think that would be a drawback.

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Apr 11, 2018 11:15:25   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
I don't think the DSLR as we know it will die out and disappear. What I see is that eventually, photographers who prefer full frame format will have to make a choice, as mirrorless full frame will become a companion genre to the DSLR. So long as there is a still a market demand for the DSLR, the camera companies will continue to make them, so long as it remains economically viable for them to do so. I don't see it being any different from choosing between a mirrorless crop sensor camera and a crop sensor DSLR.

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Apr 11, 2018 11:17:51   #
gwilliams6
 
TheDman wrote:
How is EVF better than optical? I would think that would be a drawback.


If you don't know, then you need a technical lesson . Look it up online please

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Apr 11, 2018 11:18:40   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
If you don't know, then you need a technical lesson . Look it up online please


In other words, you can't defend your position.

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Apr 11, 2018 11:25:42   #
father christmas Loc: Goodlettsville, Tennessee
 
letmedance wrote:
Left my Heavy DSLR home on my China trip, instead took two light mirrorless 4/3 cameras along. Never gonna happen again.


What happened that you were not satisfied with m4/3 cameras?

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Apr 11, 2018 11:27:02   #
parishard
 
Of course they will. The physics of optics is not going to change, regardless of what some marketing guy might say. Just buy a different mounting gadget.

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Apr 11, 2018 11:29:29   #
PeterBergh
 
Bill_de wrote:
I think the game changer would be if a major DSLR manufacturer came out with a dedicated adapter allowing their DSLR lenses to work seamlessly on a mirrorless camera. The investment many of us amateurs have in glass can make changing bodies financially painful. Considering the 3rd party adapters that are available, Nikon or Canon should be able to come up with something better since it only has to work with their system. New buyers could buy the newly designed lenses while others could choose whether or not to migrate over or stand pat.

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I think the game changer would be if a major DSLR ... (show quote)


Canon have an adapter that allows their EF lenses to be used on their M5 camera and possibly on their other mirrorless cameras.

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Apr 11, 2018 11:32:53   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
repleo wrote:
The war of the viewfinders may be coming to an end. Interesting article on DP Review. Some quotes: -

"This year we sat down with leaders from (in alphabetical order) Canon, Fujifilm, Olympus, Panasonic, Ricoh, Sigma, Sony and Tamron to learn more about how they see the market, and to get an indication of what might be coming down the road.

Full-frame mirrorless will become the norm, and it will happen pretty soon

This year, almost all the executives we spoke to seemed to agree on one thing: full-frame mirrorless will become the norm, and it will happen pretty soon.

..... One is the mirrorless market: new, energetic, and increasingly packed with advanced autofocus systems and high-end video features. And the other is the DSLR market, dominated by increasingly non-essential iterative updates at the low-end..... "

Nikon seems to be conspicuous by its absence.

You can read the whole artiicle here. https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/5014039475/cp-2018-interviews-the-reign-of-the-dslr-is-almost-over?ref_=pe_1822230_279979850_dpr_nl_308_5
The war of the viewfinders may be coming to an end... (show quote)


Remember Polaroid? I had a beautiful Polaroid camera in 1968!

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Apr 11, 2018 11:33:26   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
PeterBergh wrote:
Canon have an adapter that allows their EF lenses to be used on their M5 camera and possibly on their other mirrorless cameras.

Please see my response at 10:47:27. That adapter was released with their first EOS-M system - in fact, I believe it was included 'at no cost' with the first one, and is useable with all of them.

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Apr 11, 2018 11:34:34   #
gwilliams6
 
Steve Perry wrote:
For me, it's speed and performance that matter. From what I've read, the D850 (and especially the D5), still have an edge over the Sony for AF (although I would enjoy more AF points like the Sony has). Plus, although it's better than it's been, there' still lag that you don't get with an optical viewfinder. Lag doesn't work in high speed scenarios. Frame rate is impressive, as is buffer depth. It looks like the Sony has the D850 on that one - although it still can't beat a D5 :)

Some non-performance items:

I shoot in rainy, wet environments and the Nikons offer better weather sealing.

Plus, there's lenses to consider. Nikon has a ton of big primes, Sony only just recently announced a 400 2.8.

Menus - Sony seems to take a beating for their menu system and ergonomics as well. This can be the difference between getting the shot and fiddling with the camera IMO.

Like I say, mirrorless will get there one day, but until I can do what I do now with no compromises, I'll stick with my dinosaurs - and I think a lot of action photographers feel the same. Did you notice how many Sony cameras WEREN'T at the Olympics compared to DSLRs? :)

Who knows, maybe Nikon mirrorless will change my mind.
For me, it's speed and performance that matter. Fr... (show quote)


Steve, truly what planet are you living on ? Speed and Performance. That is EXACTLY why pros are switching to Sony Mirrrorless. The A9 has 20fps , no viewfinder blackout, in silent shooting, with an exclusive stacked sensor for no rolling shutter and no banding. NO DSLR has ever matched this performance and speed. Even the A7RIII and A7III shoot 10fps, both mechanical and silent shutter. better than the D850. Image quality is tops. A7RIII got same 100 score as D850 from DXO testing. And beat D850 with other exclusive features. EVF are great now, no lag now and allows you to SEE and adjust ALL your settings, before shutter release, no chimping needed like in a DSLR.

Sonys are weathersealed and pros have shot in blowing desert sands, and freezing rain with no issues. I personally shot for three weeks in the rain on trek through Scotland Highlands and had no issues whatsoever. Sony has over 41 E-Mounts lens, plus there are dozens of other E-Mount lenses from Sigma, Tamron, Samyang/Rokinon and others. There is no shortage of lenses. And you still can use fast 300 ,400 and 600mm fast lenses from Sony A-Mount on any E-Mount Sony camera with Sony adapter with full focus. Sony has 100-400mm now and new 400 f2.8 later this year. Sony uses can also use top Canon long glass with adapters and are doing it.

Sony menus are bigger because their cameras do more. Once you set up your preferences and custom buttons, you never have to use menu anymore, not really an issue anymore.

Sony cameras were at the Winter Olympics and other top sporting events like Super bowl, US Open tennis, US Open Golf ,Kentucky derby and other events. and you will see them more and more in upcoming events. Get out of your denial, the change is happening and more and more each day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtOIz_LT9SM&t=34s
https://petapixel.com/2018/01/23/photographer-david-burnett-switches-sony-40-years-shooting-canon/
https://petapixel.com/2017/05/09/shooting-kentucky-derby-20fps-sony-a9/
https://alphauniverse.com/stories/sony-a9-s-features-unmatched-at-u-s--open/
https://alphauniverse.com/stories/sports-pro-s-gear-for-the-winter-games-in-south-korea/
https://alphasports.pro/
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/features/why-i-switched-canon-sony-colby-brown
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/features/why-i-switched-nikon-sony-matt-kloskowski
https://alphauniverse.com/artisans/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMP4vJr6cGk

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Apr 11, 2018 11:35:10   #
dukepresley
 
TucsonCoyote wrote:
Yes!......remember Y2K when the world came to a sudden end !!!???


Had a friend who ran large data centers for a technology company; asked him mid-1999 what he was going to do (personally) to address the upcoming Y2K "crisis." He said that he would withdraw 1 months financial needs on 12/31 and that would see him through any issues until things got sorted out. As the year moved on, his projected cash needs diminished until on NYE, he withdrew enough pocket money for the evening.

I think I will worry about mirrorless and the demise of my beloved D700 when I see the absolute need to do so.

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Apr 11, 2018 11:36:23   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
repleo wrote:
The war of the viewfinders may be coming to an end. Interesting article on DP Review. Some quotes: -

"This year we sat down with leaders from (in alphabetical order) Canon, Fujifilm, Olympus, Panasonic, Ricoh, Sigma, Sony and Tamron to learn more about how they see the market, and to get an indication of what might be coming down the road.

Full-frame mirrorless will become the norm, and it will happen pretty soon

This year, almost all the executives we spoke to seemed to agree on one thing: full-frame mirrorless will become the norm, and it will happen pretty soon.

..... One is the mirrorless market: new, energetic, and increasingly packed with advanced autofocus systems and high-end video features. And the other is the DSLR market, dominated by increasingly non-essential iterative updates at the low-end..... "

Nikon seems to be conspicuous by its absence.

You can read the whole artiicle here. https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/5014039475/cp-2018-interviews-the-reign-of-the-dslr-is-almost-over?ref_=pe_1822230_279979850_dpr_nl_308_5
The war of the viewfinders may be coming to an end... (show quote)

Sorry, the reign of the DIGITAL DSLR is only beginning. Many, many, many, mirrorless owners are either switching back and buying the newest latest version DSLR. Sorry, you could not be more wrong. Women love the mirrorless cause it fits their hands better, but for big boys we like the DSLR, ESPECIALLY WHEN USING FAST LONG LENSES. Something mirrorless does not have. NOT ONE.

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Apr 11, 2018 11:42:02   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
It all comes down to money. If mirrorless cameras are cheaper to produce, manufacturers will certainly want to slowly phase out DSLR cameras, using marketing strategies to convince the new generation of photographers to invest in mirrorless systems. Although photographers of the older generation tend to cling to what they are familiar with and have learned to trust, younger people are more open to other technologies; they are the future of photography. For manufacturers, the bottom line is and always will be to maximize profits! This is something we consumers so often forget. And marketing has a greater psychological impact on our purchase choices than we realize.

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