Everyone makes mistakes, Quinn, and your no exception.
Quinn 4 wrote:
Read the newspaper or look at the TV's news to find out what I am writing about. Oh, you may not because it fake news. American military does not make mistakes.
Look to me like media looking for big read number, we’re stuck with that here in Montreal big head line on front page you open that paper and realize that the head line is totally off track to the subject.
Cykdelic
Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
Quinn 4 wrote:
Read the newspaper or look at the TV's news to find out what I am writing about. Oh, you may not because it fake news. American military does not make mistakes.
I think he’s referring to your double negative “US had can't not communicate with each other.”, which would imply they actually CAN communicate!
Quick to judge and attack and you missed the point.
Ched49 wrote:
Oh, now I understand... "two top jet fight" and "two top jet fighters" threw me off guard a little, sorry about that.
When I first read it I thought it was a bit of sarcasm, purposely not communicating to mimic the military problem. There are always problems in military, and other situations, but sometimes we tend to overemphasize and overstate them a little. I doubt things are as bad as they are made out to be.
Communication, the lifeline of combat, and lack thereof, isn't a recent problem:
WWII - During "Operation Market Garden", Montgomery's campaign to cross the Rhine, British and U.S. troops could not communicate with each other because the crystals for the radio equipment put the operators on separate frequencies. Operation turned to a disaster.
WWII - During the start of Operation Cobra, General Patton's famous breakout in France, American bombers killed or wounded over 500 U.S. troops because of lack of communications.
pendennis wrote:
Communication, the lifeline of combat, and lack thereof, isn't a recent problem:
WWII - During "Operation Market Garden", Montgomery's campaign to cross the Rhine, British and U.S. troops could not communicate with each other because the crystals for the radio equipment put the operators on separate frequencies. Operation turned to a disaster.
WWII - During the start of Operation Cobra, General Patton's famous breakout in France, American bombers killed or wounded over 500 U.S. troops because of lack of communications.
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And one of the reasons we won the battle of Midway in world war II was because the communications system in a Japanese spotter plane suddenly failed. No rhyme or reason, things happen though. The question is, does anything ever happen by accident?
gener202002 wrote:
And one of the reasons we won the battle of Midway in world war II was because the communications system in a Japanese spotter plane suddenly failed. No rhyme or reason, things happen though. The question is, does anything ever happen by accident?
In addition, the cryptanalysts at Pearl Harbor, broke the current version of Japan's JN25 code. How to test? Sent a clear, uncoded message, from Midway about a broken water evaporator.
I've always thought that luck (or accident) was precipitated by good planning and execution, or lack of same. It goes back further than "Richard III" ("My horse...",), I'm sure.
I try to live by the phrase - Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics.
Quinn 4 wrote:
In the news this morning is about the two top jet fight the US had can't not communicate with each other. The great America military industrial complex at work. Spend another billon dollars to fix it.
I'm having a tough time trying to make sense of what is suppose to be said of your post?
clint f.
Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa
anderzander wrote:
Lefties as in Democrats never have slashed the military budget, they only slash the waste in military spending, just go to a military bone yard of surplus material, and a lot of stupid expenditures on product that is unreliable, this isn't a political issue it is waste at the expense of tax payers.
Fake news. By any measure the Obama admin cut andmilitary spending ie; smaller relative to GNP, smaller as a percentage of federal spending, smaller as number of active service personnel and smaller as to number of ships. As to reducing waste, one mans “waste” is another mans tools. Anybody that has worked in a government can attest that there is no way to eliminate waste. The agencies budget system encourages buying un-needed equipment to avoid having their budget reduced the following year. Drive by an auto junkyard. Every car on the pile was an improvement generally, to the cars lower in the pile but they all served their purpose and functioned as designed but were eventually junked at the end of their service life. But for the few remaining old cars nearly every car produced from the 80’s and before has now bee junked, recycled and returned to the raw material inventory. It’s not cheap to protect our sovereignty and safety which is the sole duty of the government.
Cykdelic
Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
anderzander wrote:
Lefties as in Democrats never have slashed the military budget, they only slash the waste in military spending, just go to a military bone yard of surplus material, and a lot of stupid expenditures on product that is unreliable, this isn't a political issue it is waste at the expense of tax payers.
UR simply wrong......just look at raw spending under Carter and Clinton (down!)
Paladin48 wrote:
Now THAT'S how to research an article, people! Apparently lefties are of the opinion - "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up".
Thanks rpavich
I'm a retired Air (Chair) Force Ammo troop so I've seen this stuff first hand.
I've been working in military aircraft manufacturing for my entire adult life and for sure, when the government is involved, things go south fast but this isn't one of those times.
Folks speak from ignorance whenever they see this sort of topic.
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