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Mar 24, 2018 14:04:25   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
Pesky rechargeable batteries should at some time be discharged fully. You can build a discharger or better yet use a four cell or two cell flashlight that matches the type of battery you want to fully discharge. Put the batteries in the flash turn it on and let run until the lamp barely glows then charge the batteries. Works very well for Ni-cads of all types. That way you are more fully charging the Nicads which can take a set to never working at half full capacity.

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Mar 24, 2018 14:19:49   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
drklrd wrote:
Pesky rechargeable batteries should at some time be discharged fully. You can build a discharger or better yet use a four cell or two cell flashlight that matches the type of battery you want to fully discharge. Put the batteries in the flash turn it on and let run until the lamp barely glows then charge the batteries. Works very well for Ni-cads of all types. That way you are more fully charging the Nicads which can take a set to never working at half full capacity.


Do you have links to support this, in particular with the lithium batteries many of us use?

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Mar 24, 2018 14:25:14   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
NiCads are prone to developing a memory, NiMh batteries nowhere near as much.
Nicads, if continually drained to, lets say 75% of capacity, then re-charged, will develop a "memory" and 75% capacity will become the "empty" instead of closer to zero.

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Mar 24, 2018 14:25:24   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
DaveO wrote:
Do you have links to support this, in particular with the lithium batteries many of us use?


Allow partial discharges and avoid full ones (usually)

Unlike NiCad batteries, lithium-ion batteries do not have a charge memory. That means deep-discharge cycles are not required. In fact, it's better for the battery to use partial-discharge cycles.
There is one exception. Battery experts suggest that after 30 charges, you should allow lithium-ion batteries to almost completely discharge. Continuous partial discharges create a condition called digital memory, decreasing the accuracy of the device's power gauge. So let the battery discharge to the cut-off point and then recharge. The power gauge will be recalibrated.

Avoid completely discharging lithium-ion batteries

If a lithium-ion battery is discharged below 2.5 volts per cell, a safety circuit built into the battery opens and the battery appears to be dead. The original charger will be of no use. Only battery analyzers with the boost function have a chance of recharging the battery.

https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-tips-for-extending-lithium-ion-battery-life/

Mike

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Mar 24, 2018 14:28:24   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
drklrd wrote:
Pesky rechargeable batteries should at some time be discharged fully. You can build a discharger or better yet use a four cell or two cell flashlight that matches the type of battery you want to fully discharge. Put the batteries in the flash turn it on and let run until the lamp barely glows then charge the batteries. Works very well for Ni-cads of all types. That way you are more fully charging the Nicads which can take a set to never working at half full capacity.

Who uses NiCad's anymore?

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Mar 24, 2018 14:29:22   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
drklrd wrote:
Pesky rechargeable batteries should at some time be discharged fully. You can build a discharger or better yet use a four cell or two cell flashlight that matches the type of battery you want to fully discharge. Put the batteries in the flash turn it on and let run until the lamp barely glows then charge the batteries. Works very well for Ni-cads of all types. That way you are more fully charging the Nicads which can take a set to never working at half full capacity.

Following the manufacturer’s recommendations works pretty well, too.

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Mar 24, 2018 14:32:53   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Allow partial discharges and avoid full ones (usually)

Unlike NiCad batteries, lithium-ion batteries do not have a charge memory. That means deep-discharge cycles are not required. In fact, it's better for the battery to use partial-discharge cycles.
There is one exception. Battery experts suggest that after 30 charges, you should allow lithium-ion batteries to almost completely discharge. Continuous partial discharges create a condition called digital memory, decreasing the accuracy of the device's power gauge. So let the battery discharge to the cut-off point and then recharge. The power gauge will be recalibrated.

Avoid completely discharging lithium-ion batteries

If a lithium-ion battery is discharged below 2.5 volts per cell, a safety circuit built into the battery opens and the battery appears to be dead. The original charger will be of no use. Only battery analyzers with the boost function have a chance of recharging the battery.

https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-tips-for-extending-lithium-ion-battery-life/

Mike
b Allow partial discharges and avoid full ones (u... (show quote)


Many of us are aware of this and also have google available. I was thinking that the OP might research to validate his lead sentence.

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Mar 24, 2018 14:55:06   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
DaveO wrote:
Many of us are aware of this and also have google available. I was thinking that the OP might research to validate his lead sentence.


You mean to say that they let just anyone Google now?



Mike

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Mar 24, 2018 14:56:31   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
You mean to say that they let just anyone Google now?



Mike



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Mar 25, 2018 07:03:39   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
It depends on what kind of rechargeables you are talking about! Lithium batteries are not supposed to be totally discharged.

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Mar 25, 2018 07:18:52   #
Largobob
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
You mean to say that they let just anyone Google now?



Mike


But for heaven's sake.....don't get caught Googling in public!

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Mar 25, 2018 08:39:07   #
Joe Blow
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
You mean to say that they let just anyone Google now?



Mike

Is this a new thing? Sorry, I didn't get the memo on that, how about a clarification on permissions.

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Mar 25, 2018 08:43:43   #
Joe Blow
 
nimbushopper wrote:
It depends on what kind of rechargeables you are talking about! Lithium batteries are not supposed to be totally discharged.


Lithium batteries will shut off before hitting critical. Only if allowed to drain, usually by normal leakage, will they go below that point. If a cell phone or camera Lithium Ion is charged within a few days of turning itself off, it lives. If you leave it for a few months it will most likely be dead. Don't let your phone go dead. Charge it.

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Mar 25, 2018 09:26:51   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
drklrd wrote:
Pesky rechargeable batteries should at some time be discharged fully. You can build a discharger or better yet use a four cell or two cell flashlight that matches the type of battery you want to fully discharge. Put the batteries in the flash turn it on and let run until the lamp barely glows then charge the batteries. Works very well for Ni-cads of all types. That way you are more fully charging the Nicads which can take a set to never working at half full capacity.


It might be better to purchase a Powerex charger as they do just what your looking for, Go to Google or what ever browser you use and type in Powerex battery charger and read the spec’s information these units are expensive but well worth it.

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Mar 25, 2018 09:30:35   #
BebuLamar
 
BHC wrote:
Who uses NiCad's anymore?


Not NiCad but NiMH for flashes.

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