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Mar 15, 2018 12:22:06   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
Since Adobe has LR and CS6 is there that much of a difference between the two to make me want to use both rather than just use CS6 only? I prefer CS6 or Photoshop. LR seems just to be another version of CS6 to me. Then again I have never used LR ever.

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Mar 15, 2018 12:46:31   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I only use CS6 Photoshop. Haven't seen the need for LR or Adobe Bridge, or upgrading Photoshop to CC. I also use CS6 Premiere Pro and Adobe Audition for video and audio.

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Mar 15, 2018 12:49:18   #
DanCulleton
 
LR, photo management and non-destructive editing.

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Mar 15, 2018 13:46:38   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
I have been using Photoshop well before Lightroom came out, so I devised my own method of organizing my photos. I use ACR from within Photoshop to process RAW files, and I edit non-destructively in Photoshop using layers. So I have never felt the need to use Lightroom.

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Mar 15, 2018 15:25:51   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
drklrd wrote:
Since Adobe has LR and CS6 is there that much of a difference between the two to make me want to use both rather than just use CS6 only? I prefer CS6 or Photoshop. LR seems just to be another version of CS6 to me. Then again I have never used LR ever.


The photo editor in Lr is ACR which is part of Photoshop. And yes there is a difference between a parametric editor and a pixel-level editor. The advantage of Lr is the faster user interface, the catalog, the GPS tagging, how nicely it works with plugins, and how fast you can go from memory card to delivering high quality proofs to your clients.

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Mar 15, 2018 15:53:49   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
If you're only considering editing, PS is king. However, LR plays well with PS and includes image organization tools which I find extremely useful as my memory fades with age. LR is a fairly capable editor but the organizational aspects is the primary reason I use it. Editing is good enough that 90% of my images see only LR. The rest go from LR to PS and back to LR for the organization.

There are other editors out there that people swear by but none of them at this point match LR for the organization tools (in my opinion). Other editors recognize this and are working on it, but they're not there yet (again, my opinion).

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Mar 15, 2018 15:55:30   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
drklrd wrote:
Since Adobe has LR and CS6 is there that much of a difference between the two to make me want to use both rather than just use CS6 only? I prefer CS6 or Photoshop. LR seems just to be another version of CS6 to me. Then again I have never used LR ever.


Since I’m not trying to change a dog into a cat, I never use PS and LR only on finhised products. I use DPP for the bulk of my work.
If every lthing you do is layers dependent them PS is the only thing that will do that.
SS

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Mar 15, 2018 16:01:17   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
DanCulleton wrote:
LR, photo management and non-destructive editing.


By just editing your are changing a file. By making a change to a file you are in essence destroying the old file unless you rename the file and save it under a new name. Every time you close a file in Adobe, Adobe asks you if you want to save it or rename it.

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Mar 15, 2018 21:10:08   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
drklrd wrote:
By just editing your are changing a file. By making a change to a file you are in essence destroying the old file unless you rename the file and save it under a new name. Every time you close a file in Adobe, Adobe asks you if you want to save it or rename it.

Nothing like what you've described happens in Lightroom ...

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Mar 15, 2018 22:36:42   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
drklrd wrote:
Since Adobe has LR and CS6 is there that much of a difference between the two to make me want to use both rather than just use CS6 only? I prefer CS6 or Photoshop. LR seems just to be another version of CS6 to me. Then again I have never used LR ever.

You obviously have never used Lightroom since it is a different tool than Photoshop and is most often used in conjunction with it rather than instead of it. It is developed around a modified version of Adobe Camera Raw (ACR), uses a slightly different approach to using ACR and contains a number of other features to modify raw files that the standard version of ACR does not. It also is a world-class digital asset management system. Most users of Lightroom use it as a front end to Photoshop, doing all the raw enhancements in LR and transferring the file directly to Photoshop.

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Mar 15, 2018 22:43:17   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
drklrd wrote:
By just editing your are changing a file. By making a change to a file you are in essence destroying the old file unless you rename the file and save it under a new name. Every time you close a file in Adobe, Adobe asks you if you want to save it or rename it.


You are 100% incorrect if you are referring to Lightroom and clearly have no understanding of how that program works.

There is in fact no save feature in Lightroom. Lightroom makes no changes to any files it edits. The changes are stored only as overlay instructions in Lightroom and are applied for display on-the-fly when an editing a file. ALL editing instructions are permanently stored in the LR catalog, or in sidecar .xmp files, and applied automatically each time you open an image for viewing or editing.

To permanently apply edits to a file you must export it to a new file, typically as a jpeg of tiff. Raw files are never edited or updated permanently. Lightroom is 100% non-destructive of the original files. Perhaps you should do some additional research on the subject before making such uninformed statements.

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Mar 15, 2018 23:39:32   #
LarryFB Loc: Depends where our RV is parked
 
Lightroom and Photoshop are two different programs and do different thing, although they work together almost seamlessly.

If you use Lightroom correctly, and use the organizational capabilities available, you will be able to find the specific photo you are looking for in a very short time. Lightroom also provides a very good photo enhancement capability, and that capability is non destructive so you can go back to your original file with only a click or two. Within its development limiations, you can also create many different versions of the same photo. An example of that is create a 4X5 print, a 5X7 print, an 11 X 14 print, or whatever you want.

Although that sounds very powerful (and it is), there are a number of thing that Lightroom cannot do. That's where Photoshop comes in. Photoshop adds the abiity to edit by pixels, adds the ability to use layers (critical for producing composites) as well as other things. The list is too long to continue.

Suffice it to say they are two different programs that do different things, but work together very well.

Opinion! The photographer's bundle is wonderful, you get the current versions of both programs for $10.00 per month, less than two meals at McDonalds, or less than three coffees per month at Starbucks. Plus, despite what Adobe suggests by referring to the "cloud" the programs are on you computer and the only time you need an internet connection is once a month or so to verify you have paid for your subscription.

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Mar 16, 2018 00:36:03   #
pixbyjnjphotos Loc: Apache Junction,AZ
 
drklrd wrote:
By just editing your are changing a file. By making a change to a file you are in essence destroying the old file unless you rename the file and save it under a new name. Every time you close a file in Adobe, Adobe asks you if you want to save it or rename it.


I have used at least 20 other programs for editing photos and every one that I have used asks if you want to over write the file or not and if not offers the opportunity to change the name of the file. I have over 60,000 photos on my external hard drives from the last 19 years and I have never had a program automatically over-write a file without asking. I have never lost an original file. All programs do that if you select "save as" - word processors, spreadsheets, presentation programs and the list goes on. That's why I laugh to myself when someone mentions that LR, PS, Adobe is great because they are non-destructive editors. All the programs I have used are non-destructive since they load a copy of the original file to edit. The only time you will over-write (destroy) the original file is if you physically tell the program to do that or select "save" only. Rule number one is "always select "save as"" Have a GREAT DAY!

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Mar 16, 2018 05:52:49   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
drklrd wrote:
Since Adobe has LR and CS6 is there that much of a difference between the two to make me want to use both rather than just use CS6 only? I prefer CS6 or Photoshop. LR seems just to be another version of CS6 to me. Then again I have never used LR ever.


Yes, they are different. Good info -

http://blog.creativelive.com/use-photoshop-lightroom/
https://photographylife.com/photoshop-vs-lightroom/

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Mar 16, 2018 07:03:13   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
Although photoshop is a pixel level editor, using layers for your edits allows you to preserve the original file unchanged.

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