Two Feathers

I will just say thank you and that I agree with your statement.

Stan W. Loc: Tampa, Fl

LOL.

illininitt

NJ/Cedy: I was in the Army from 06/68-06/70. That alone gives me the right to say/think any way I want. That gives me the right to NEVER v**e or think most polititions are crooks. IF Donnie or his two sons or son in-law really wanted to make America great again...why did none do the ultamet? Join the Military? And NJ....how does Washington effect me? Give me a list....

Leo Perez

Anything goes in an open society, or the times changing, remember growing up and saying I don't want to be like my parents, I want to be different. Less rule to go by, don't tell me what to do or say it's a free country. Look at our politicians all the way to the top, it's sad. We get what we roost. My pennyworth. I think the Governor is right, too much freedom.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Ignorant, opinionated and proud of it! You have elected to withdraw from the responsibilities of citizenship. So you have more or less given up the right to critic those involved.

I am 72, from Kentucky but in CA since 1965 - I v**ed the first time at 18 for Goldwater (Kentucky had 18 year old v****g before the rest of the country) The Dems told me if I v**ed for Goldwater I would go to war in Vietnam - hey! they were right. I did, and I did. 2 years, 2 months and 2 days according to my DD 214. Late 1966 to Jan 1969.
Except Johnson fed us in a few thousand at a time and the other side was able to counter the slow build up and the whole thing became a "forever war". The nation got s**k of it and we pulled out, turning what at one point had been almost complete victory into a real world defeat. Esp after a Dem controlled congress cut the previously promised support, weapons and supplies to the ARVN off. Goldwater (a general in the Air Force reserve) said we should evaluate the whole thing and if the conclusion was we should be there then we should do the same as WW II, build up overwhelming force, go in at full force in as close to a blitz as we could. Turn it over to the ARVN (with that support and supplies) and leave. If the finding was it wasn't worth it we should arrange talks between the two sides, wish them well and pull out. Heck, Ho Chi Minh liked Americans because during WW II the OSS supported him and the other resistance groups against the Japanese. If we had used that to influence the two sides to settle things how would the world have been different?
The things about culture and life style the governor mentioned match what I have observed (34 years in the classroom in Los Angeles Unified School District) in young people and society in general. Right and wrong or traditional morality, no - everyone decides for themselves and do what makes you happy at the moment - no thought for others and the future. This led to a high divorce rate, broken families and a weakened culture.
He mentioned video games and entertainment media in general. A huge majority of those games, comics, movies, TV shows etc come down to basically : Got a problem? Hit it, stab/cut it, shoot it, blow it up, burn it down. You have a kid spend hours a day playing video games that teach that after a while those "solutions" become the norm. Young people with healthy personalities and good intellectual powers can overcome it as they mature. The troubled marginal intellects never get over it. It becomes the way to live and do things. And some of them then start saying and working toward being "a professional school shooter" as the young person (not a man, a tall older child) in Florida told people before he actually did something. And 17 people died.
It is not the tool, it is the user. In high school in Kentucky: we all carried pocket knives, yes even many girls (Ag students were required to have one with a 4" blade-farmer's tool.) When hunting season started students brought their rifles and shotguns into school and the principal locked them in the secure supply room with his gun. (No fence or security on the parking lot and US 60 right next to it.) By 3:15 they picked up their guns and they and the principal were all gone hunting.
No one even dreamed of using those knives or guns on anyone, not even when one of the rare fights took place (and they were rare - 2 or 3 in a whole year - during my time in LA it was often 2, 3 or more a day at some schools).

So, yes, it is culture and a change in morals that have led to the problems. The guns, knives, bombs etc are just the tools. You give a good moral person a suitcase nuke and all they could think of to use it for would be a heavy awkward door stop. Others you give them a water pistol and they load it with caustic chemicals and hurt people.

It is the people, not the tools.

Leo Perez

wow I couldn't agree with you also.

Two Feathers

Thank you for this message, LBJ sent me my greeting and I was there in 1967 a grunt in the 9th ID

Two Feathers

Do you pay taxes? Do have kids or grandkids that go to school? Do you own a home, car, food...........................I will not waste more of your time.

DJ Mills Loc: Idaho

One of the finest discussions I have ever heard on this horrible issue. Passing another law is too easy and won't change much at all. The governor showed the moral courage to remind us thst we need to look at WHY people think/feel as they do. I have sent this link to family and friends and hope they do the same.

DJ Mills Loc: Idaho

Short list: health care, pure food and drug laws, automobile safety features, highway construction, national parks, armed forces (thank you for serving), air traffic controllers, Social Security, banking regulations, keeping gasoline standardized so someone doesn't sell watered-down junk at the pump, standard weights and measures so a pound = a pound whether I'm in Boston or Buffalo, postal service, the internet, public TV, and more. Nobody likes every decision made by the government, but I would like anarchy a lot less.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

When they sent me my draft notice I said "he** no" and enlisted in the regular army, March 1966. Out of advanced training they assigned me to the HHQ company of the 593rd Combat Engineer Group. The day I joined them the signs were changed to say General Support Group (Close Combat). We were told the manual etc would be sent when the pentagon finished them. But we would be sitting up and running the base camp for an infantry division out on the Cambodian border. Half way across the Pacific we learned the ID had failed their predeployment evals and would be doing a 90 day re-training. We would be broken up as replacements. Our people had been picked from the top 10% of our training cycles and from other units. (One of our majors came to us from the pentagon and had worked on forming the unit - when he found he was headed for Nam he requested to be in our unit.) Our CO got off the t***sport in Naha and flew to Nam where he went to see some of his friends at MACV. He got us assigned as HQ Qui Nhon Sub Area Command of 1st Log so we stayed together.

At the end of our year I and a friend volunteered for another 6 months because we were going to Ft Hood as training cadre. We couldn't see going from a place where job performance etc ruled to a place where we had to wear starched fatigues and live by the rule book. Then I volunteered for another 6 months because I was still headed to be cadre at Hood. My friend got clerk to the desk Sgt at an MP battalion in the German Alps - he was a skiing nut and jumped at that assignment. Just before my second extension my section Sgt rotated out and his replacement was a Platoon Sgt from the 9th ID. He was coming back to Nam to finish his tour after spending over a year in hospitals in Japan. His platoon was in reserve and the third one to go through a village. He was a camera nut and took advantage of being in a "cleared" and safe area to take pictures. His last picture he clicked seen through the view finder was of a VC popping out of a spider hole with a BAR. He got three rounds of 30-06 in the body and saw his guys blow away the VC as he went down. His biggest b***h about it was that somewhere along the way his camera and film (one of his guys put it in one of his cargo pockets as they put him on the stretcher) were either stolen, lost or thrown away. He really wanted that last picture-he thought it might even show the muzzle flash since he felt the first hit just after he pushed the shutter.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

Well stated, thank you.

illininitt

Two: No kids or grandkids/no wife or X wife....no living with anybody/at 69 I have never owned a home (have rented since 1970)/my car is 2016/ Washington did effect me once in a way. In 2010 my plant I worked at for 43 years moved overseas. They gave us 6 months pay....weekly/they had put away $$$ for us and I left with $167,000. Now the gov. part: Obama made it possible for me to get 158 weeks of unemployment. He just continued to have our unemployment go on and on and on. Ask me some time if I EVER looked for a job during those 158 weeks. And 3 months after leaving I started SS. So....I got 158 weeks unemployment/6 months pay every Friday and was also collecting SS 3 months later. I was making tons more not working than working. I took my unemployment I saved and bought that 2016 Honda CRV with a check. Obama came through.

drainbamage

I guess you just don't care that I and other tax payers paid for your 158 weeks of unemployment. And you want to BRAG about this? What an effing LOSER you are.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Then you admit to being a parasite on the rest of us who made a choice to not even try to get a job and be productive for three years.

Myself: 3 years Army, 13 years in the grocery industry (before and after Army), 33 years in the classroom paid + 1 year student teaching that I paid the university for the honor of teaching, several years working armed alarm response security as a second job and about 10 years part time second job working for a friend at his Police Gear/Gun Shop part time. I didn't bother to file with VA until after I retired - I have 40% disability. I didn't need it and others did so why file while I and my wife were both working. We made a good living for our family (she is/was an RN, mostly in surgery). Once I filed for unemployment during a strike/lock out at the market by the time they told me I could collect with only a ton or two more paperwork the strike/lockout ended and as I went back to work I told them where to shove their paperwork and unemployment.