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Jul 14, 2012 11:12:57   #
fodderwing Loc: georgia
 
A good polorizing filter will eliminate glare while a lens hood will eliminate sun flairs in most cases

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Jul 14, 2012 12:11:52   #
jimni2001 Loc: Sierra Vista, Arizona, USA
 
Hawknest wrote:
jimni2001 wrote:
John the lens flair is caused by lens refraction. What you see through your viewfinder is what you are going to get in your photo. In your photo where the water meets the land is about half way up the shot. If this had of been one third of the way up the shot I do not think you would have gotten the flair. Aiming the camera more toward the sun would have eliminated the flair also. Some folks shoot to get these flairs. I find them to distract from the photo for the most part. Of course there are always exceptions. I think you need to learn some composition techniques starting with the rule of thirds which is a pain but soon it becomes second nature. The reason you were told to set a smaller aperture, bigger number, and a faster shutter speed was to make you colors pop. These guys get pretty gruff around here sometimes. Especially the old farts. Don't take any offense just be glad you aren't married to them.
John the lens flair is caused by lens refraction. ... (show quote)


i just hope you survive long enough to become an old fart but as arrogant as you are i have my doubts. as for my post i simply wanted to help john improve on his sunset photos.
quote=jimni2001 John the lens flair is caused by ... (show quote)


Hell Hawk I am never going to be an old fart. You have to grow up to become an old fart and I very simply refuse to do that. You take offense at my words when they were meant in jest. I am sorry if I hurt your or anyone else's feelings it is not my intention or aim to cause anyone any discomfort here or anywhere and I sincerely apologize if I have. The comment was not aimed at anyone specifically. Sometimes it is hard to impart humor when there is no vocal inflection to serve it up.

Here is my go at what I thought you saw.
Here is my go at what I thought you saw....

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Jul 14, 2012 12:59:52   #
photosbysexton Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
Most people like to have a uv filter on their lens for protection. If you have any filters on your lens, take them off. This will make a huge difference. .
John 1813 wrote:
Can anyone explain the spot to the left of the sun. This shot was on Manual, but doesn't seem to occur as frequently when I set camera to Auto. Settings were f1/15, f5.6,ISO 400.

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Jul 14, 2012 13:32:23   #
Hawknest Loc: South Georgia
 
jimni2001 wrote:
Hawknest wrote:
jimni2001 wrote:
John the lens flair is caused by lens refraction. What you see through your viewfinder is what you are going to get in your photo. In your photo where the water meets the land is about half way up the shot. If this had of been one third of the way up the shot I do not think you would have gotten the flair. Aiming the camera more toward the sun would have eliminated the flair also. Some folks shoot to get these flairs. I find them to distract from the photo for the most part. Of course there are always exceptions. I think you need to learn some composition techniques starting with the rule of thirds which is a pain but soon it becomes second nature. The reason you were told to set a smaller aperture, bigger number, and a faster shutter speed was to make you colors pop. These guys get pretty gruff around here sometimes. Especially the old farts. Don't take any offense just be glad you aren't married to them.
John the lens flair is caused by lens refraction. ... (show quote)


i just hope you survive long enough to become an old fart but as arrogant as you are i have my doubts. as for my post i simply wanted to help john improve on his sunset photos.
quote=jimni2001 John the lens flair is caused by ... (show quote)


Hell Hawk I am never going to be an old fart. You have to grow up to become an old fart and I very simply refuse to do that. You take offense at my words when they were meant in jest. I am sorry if I hurt your or anyone else's feelings it is not my intention or aim to cause anyone any discomfort here or anywhere and I sincerely apologize if I have. The comment was not aimed at anyone specifically. Sometimes it is hard to impart humor when there is no vocal inflection to serve it up.
quote=Hawknest quote=jimni2001 John the lens fla... (show quote)


thanks jimni, apology accepted!! i can barely remember when i was young but what i do remember ( as you ) i didn't want to grow up; never thought i would but i did and now that i am, i'm a little more sensitive as most of us old farts are.lol thanks again!
btw, nice improvement on the pic.

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Jul 14, 2012 14:31:35   #
legion3 Loc: Deer Park Long Island
 
looks like you had a UV filter on the lens. all sunsets should be shot without any filters when the sun is in front of you.

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Jul 14, 2012 15:13:38   #
mdeman Loc: Damascus, Maryland
 
One thing to keep in mind if you have to have flair is where it is located on your image. In this case the flair is on top of a little boat. It would have been much better if your flair was just over the water. Then PP would eliminate the flair without taking out any photographic elements. As you notice in the PP examples, the little boat is gone.

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Jul 14, 2012 16:13:10   #
Phreedom Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
 
John 1813 wrote:
docrob wrote:
John 1813 wrote:
docrob wrote:
John 1813 wrote:
Can anyone explain the spot to the left of the sun. This shot was on Manual, but doesn't seem to occur as frequently when I set camera to Auto. Settings were f1/15, f5.6,ISO 400.


flair


How does one avoid it. Are there filters you can use?


use a lens hood or a good cap - and pay attention when you shoot in the direction of the sun


I'm not sure what you mean by use a cap nor do I know what you mean by pat attention. I could see the flair when I was taking the shot, but couldn't do anything about it.
quote=docrob quote=John 1813 quote=docrob quot... (show quote)


Shoot into a light source and you get glare, flare, reflection of the light from the surfaces of the lenses in your lense. Can't be stopped except to wait until sun (as an example) is obscured by more cloud, drops lower, etc. so light is blocked and not shinning directly into your lense. No, you can't filter it out... you would have to filter the sun out.

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Jul 14, 2012 16:52:06   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
John 1813 wrote:
docrob wrote:
John 1813 wrote:
docrob wrote:
John 1813 wrote:
docrob wrote:
John 1813 wrote:
Can anyone explain the spot to the left of the sun. This shot was on Manual, but doesn't seem to occur as frequently when I set camera to Auto. Settings were f1/15, f5.6,ISO 400.


flair


How does one avoid it. Are there filters you can use?


use a lens hood or a good cap - and pay attention when you shoot in the direction of the sun


I'm not sure what you mean by use a cap nor do I know what you mean by pat attention. I could see the flair when I was taking the shot, but couldn't do anything about it.
quote=docrob quote=John 1813 quote=docrob quot... (show quote)


cap = hat = something to block the sun. As for paying attention - if you could see the flair in the frame then you could have moved or changed the lens angle relative to the sun and maybe eliminated it - so no excuse there - if you saw it and did nothing to eliminate it then it was a choice and not a mistake to later get rid of.
quote=John 1813 quote=docrob quote=John 1813 q... (show quote)


I guess I don't know what you mean by blocking the sun. I was taking a picture of the sun. As far as not doing anything to eliminate the flair, I tried changing the angle, aperture, and shutter speeds to no avail. I may be wrong, but your answers are rather abrupt and you seem irritated that I'm asking these questions? I'm really rather new at this and I'm trying to learn. If you think I don't have the experience to belong in this forum, let me know.
quote=docrob quote=John 1813 quote=docrob quot... (show quote)


From the angle of the picture in relation to the sun, I think it would be difficult to totally eliminate the flare. Play with different apertures, and look at the "Auto" settings in the EXIF information and see how they compare to your 'manual' or 'semi-auto' settings and see what is different, then use those setting as a starting point for your testing.

There 'might' also be some small, almost undetectable 'water spots' on the lens from condensation/fog/etc that will make the flair more noticeable!

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Jul 14, 2012 17:19:47   #
jimni2001 Loc: Sierra Vista, Arizona, USA
 
Hawknest, I am not a young person, I am just not going to grow up. My body is wearing out my knees and shoulders are shot, cataracts cloud my eyes and the hair that use to grow on top of my head now grows out of my ears and nose. Doctors now look at parts of me that I did not even know existed and the days form weeks in a matter of minutes but I still am not going to grow up. What fun would there be in that? I tried it once and didn't like it so I quit.

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Jul 14, 2012 17:52:28   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
jimni2001 wrote:
Hawknest, I am not a young person, I am just not going to grow up. My body is wearing out my knees and shoulders are shot, cataracts cloud my eyes and the hair that use to grow on top of my head now grows out of my ears and nose. Doctors now look at parts of me that I did not even know existed and the days form weeks in a matter of minutes but I still am not going to grow up. What fun would there be in that? I tried it once and didn't like it so I quit.


:lol: :lol: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jul 14, 2012 18:20:40   #
Hawknest Loc: South Georgia
 
jimni2001 wrote:
Hawknest, I am not a young person, I am just not going to grow up. My body is wearing out my knees and shoulders are shot, cataracts cloud my eyes and the hair that use to grow on top of my head now grows out of my ears and nose. Doctors now look at parts of me that I did not even know existed and the days form weeks in a matter of minutes but I still am not going to grow up. What fun would there be in that? I tried it once and didn't like it so I quit.


jimni, i know what you are talking about. before we retired we use to schedule everything around work but now we schedule everything around doctors (several) appointments (many).lol
my brain keeps telling me i'm 30 but my body says NO, NO you're 80 but i'm really 65.
btw, the next time your group gets together play a tune for my wife and i (joyce & rick) we will forever be grateful . have a GREAT evening and good luck on not growing up.

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Jul 14, 2012 23:24:30   #
John 1813 Loc: Lancaster, NY
 
legion3 wrote:
looks like you had a UV filter on the lens. all sunsets should be shot without any filters when the sun is in front of you.


I did have a UV filter on, I tried some shots of the sky today with and without it and there was no flare without it. I can go to bed now because I learned something today. Thank you all.

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Jul 27, 2012 09:59:25   #
bullfrogs Loc: Chico, Calif.
 
Perhaps you could learn a lot here on Lens Flare. I find it very informative. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_flare
Good luck and keep those photos coming. Lens Flare is not always a Bad Animal and can be used very effectively to add ambiance to certain photos.
Bullfrogs

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