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Feb 23, 2018 14:31:01   #
John Martin Loc: Troy, MI
 
On Facebook I keep seeing the an ad for the Arsenal. 24,000 people have pre-ordered the item. It seem the company keeps promising a delivery date but problems keep popping up. Any thoughts on the product?

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Feb 23, 2018 14:35:47   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Yeah, I have thoughts on this product. As a matter of a sense of decency, I'll keep them to myself.
--Bob
John Martin wrote:
On Facebook I keep seeing the an ad for the Arsenal. 24,000 people have pre-ordered the item. It seem the company keeps promising a delivery date but problems keep popping up. Any thoughts on the product?

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Feb 23, 2018 14:37:36   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
OK, save me the grief of actually going to facebook, what is the arsenal?

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Feb 23, 2018 14:44:05   #
John Martin Loc: Troy, MI
 
bkyser wrote:
OK, save me the grief of actually going to facebook, what is the arsenal?


Ok- its a devise that attaches to your hot shoe of your camera and then communicate to your smart phone. Its figures out the best setting for your shot and adjust the camera. It can also setting up stacking and then process the photo

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Feb 23, 2018 15:02:37   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
John Martin wrote:
Ok- its a devise that attaches to your hot shoe of your camera and then communicate to your smart phone. Its figures out the best setting for your shot and adjust the camera. It can also setting up stacking and then process the photo


OK thanks. Focus stacking maybe could be interesting, but the rest of it, I think is called "auto mode"

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Feb 23, 2018 16:19:35   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
The Website: https://witharsenal.com/

The Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=mmfGeaBX-0Q

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Feb 23, 2018 16:51:26   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
I've read way too many stories about people pre-selling kickstarter inventions, and nobody ever gets anything, and your money just disappears. I think it was just last year where someone was selling a fancy drone that you just tossed in the air, and it would fly itself and follow you.....just went away into the sunset.

As I said, something to assist with focus stacking is one thing, and that would be nice, but it looks like a glorified Cam-Ranger. My D-500 will allow me to do a lot of settings changes and taking the shot as well. Any of these fundraiser things asking for money for development, for a future product that may or may not happen, just sounds risky to me.

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Feb 23, 2018 16:55:03   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
bkyser wrote:
OK thanks. Focus stacking maybe could be interesting, but the rest of it, I think is called "auto mode"


I was going to say, isn't Nikon's Program Mode the same?

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Feb 23, 2018 17:03:10   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
bkyser wrote:
I've read way too many stories about people pre-selling kickstarter inventions, and nobody ever gets anything, and your money just disappears. I think it was just last year where someone was selling a fancy drone that you just tossed in the air, and it would fly itself and follow you.....just went away into the sunset.

As I said, something to assist with focus stacking is one thing, and that would be nice, but it looks like a glorified Cam-Ranger. My D-500 will allow me to do a lot of settings changes and taking the shot as well. Any of these fundraiser things asking for money for development, for a future product that may or may not happen, just sounds risky to me.
I've read way too many stories about people pre-se... (show quote)


Here's Lily: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/01/facing-unlawful-business-suit-drone-startup-with-34m-in-pre-orders-closes/

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Feb 23, 2018 17:11:10   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
John Martin wrote:
On Facebook I keep seeing the an ad for the Arsenal. 24,000 people have pre-ordered the item. It seem the company keeps promising a delivery date but problems keep popping up. Any thoughts on the product?


Is it a pill to give you a bigger, harder hard-on???
If so, must get my order in.
Can you provide a link?!?! LoL
SS

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Feb 23, 2018 18:09:13   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Yeah, coupled with Matrix Metering.
--Bob
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
I was going to say, isn't Nikon's Program Mode the same?

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Feb 23, 2018 19:03:01   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
I'm no longer sure if UHH is for reasonable discussion or not.

Consider one of the things wrong with DSLRs it their appeal beyond professionals and old men. My granddaughters have never known life without a computer in their pockets or bags. The computer takes pictures too. Of high importance is that it is a connected computer.

DSLR makers are not using innovation to tap into new markets. Consider a $1000 Nikon or Canon that is as smart and as connected as a $1000 iPhone. At the very least, the screen on the camera should have a graphical interface as intuitive as with the phone, as well as being connected. Nikon and Canon need to be recruiting interface design engineers from Apple and Samsung.

If that seems too far fetched, maybe some guy can invent a device that makes existing cameras connect to and operate with existing phones.

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Feb 23, 2018 20:13:03   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
bsprague wrote:
I'm no longer sure if UHH is for reasonable discussion or not.

Consider one of the things wrong with DSLRs it their appeal beyond professionals and old men. My granddaughters have never known life without a computer in their pockets or bags. The computer takes pictures too. Of high importance is that it is a connected computer.

DSLR makers are not using innovation to tap into new markets. Consider a $1000 Nikon or Canon that is as smart and as connected as a $1000 iPhone. At the very least, the screen on the camera should have a graphical interface as intuitive as with the phone, as well as being connected. Nikon and Canon need to be recruiting interface design engineers from Apple and Samsung.

If that seems too far fetched, maybe some guy can invent a device that makes existing cameras connect to and operate with existing phones.
I'm no longer sure if UHH is for reasonable discus... (show quote)


An excellent point about changing demographics. Although we have to see deliverables yet, Canon is making statements about investing in SMS (Social Media Services) devices. We'll have to see what, if anything, comes out of this and how soon.

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Jun 26, 2018 15:06:51   #
dugeeeeeee
 
bsprague wrote:
I'm no longer sure if UHH is for reasonable discussion or not.

Consider one of the things wrong with DSLRs it their appeal beyond professionals and old men. My granddaughters have never known life without a computer in their pockets or bags. The computer takes pictures too. Of high importance is that it is a connected computer.

DSLR makers are not using innovation to tap into new markets. Consider a $1000 Nikon or Canon that is as smart and as connected as a $1000 iPhone. At the very least, the screen on the camera should have a graphical interface as intuitive as with the phone, as well as being connected. Nikon and Canon need to be recruiting interface design engineers from Apple and Samsung.

If that seems too far fetched, maybe some guy can invent a device that makes existing cameras connect to and operate with existing phones.
I'm no longer sure if UHH is for reasonable discus... (show quote)


Well said!

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Jun 26, 2018 15:19:40   #
mrjcall Loc: Woodfin, NC
 
John Martin wrote:
On Facebook I keep seeing the an ad for the Arsenal. 24,000 people have pre-ordered the item. It seem the company keeps promising a delivery date but problems keep popping up. Any thoughts on the product?


If it works as advertised, it's a really cool device which uses AI to go far beyond what ANY in camera program can accommodate. The question is, do you want AI to take over your decision making when it comes to how you want an image to look? Can't see myself handing over image production to a smart device, no matter how intelligent.....at least no more than I already am shooting in either Aperture priority or Shutter priority....(fooling with auto ISO recently as well)...

Maybe I'm already heading down that slippery slope and don't know it, but doesn't feel like it....😎

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