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Artistic vision - learned or inherent?
Feb 11, 2018 10:39:25 #
ThreeCee wrote:
Well said. Art is personal but like all things, it’s better to know the rules before you break them. Warhol, Picas, Angelo, are all great Artists but their differences show the rules can be broken.
'Tis better to say "Oops" after breaking a rule, known or not, than not breaking any at all.
Let's not sweep native artists under the rug.
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Feb 11, 2018 11:14:50 #
gvarner wrote:
I'm wondering about your experience with this. I think much of artistic vision is inherent but it can be enhanced through formal training. Or is it something that can be developed through training alone? Your thoughts.
Very interesting subject, and a lot of variables in how others have explained their views. I agree that talent/artistic vision is inherent AND can be enhanced through formal training. So each of us has a certain amount of inherent ability, and can improve with training. However, how much of our limitations are defined by the inherent part, and how much by training and by internal drive? After reading through the posts, I think I only saw this issue of having "drive" mentioned once!
Many greatly talented people never reach the "limits" of their potential because they get tired of trying. It can be a struggle to stay focused on both gaining additional skills and improving the rendition of your vision. "Life" gets in the way... And many with a lesser degree of talent overcome that with perseverance and being driven to succeed in what they want to accomplish.
An example can be seen in my sister. She was a very talented painter. But every time she gained some success, such as being asked to exhibit her work, she would quit painting for a while. Success put too much pressure on her and she could not deal with that. In addition, difficulty with expressing her inner vision would make her work harder at it for a while, but then a particularly difficult project would be too frustrating. Again she would quit painting...
Loving what you do can go a long way, but talent and drive are needed to get close to reaching your full potential.
Feb 12, 2018 07:50:40 #
pmorin wrote:
I believe that the better explanation would be that Picasso and Mozart’s fathers helped to develop their sons skills, and as fathers do , they recognized their artistic talents from a very young age. Skills can be taught, but talent cannot.
OK. Talent is the excuse that those unwilling to put in the effort to attain skill and competence use for their failure. Maybe innate talent is real. May not. There is really no research available on talent except for a couple studies involving twins separated at birth. And the numbers were not large enough to provide any answers relative to talent.
However, we do know that environment, upbringing and support form influential elders all play a huge role.
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Feb 12, 2018 09:08:24 #
dsmeltz wrote:
OK. Talent is the excuse that those unwilling to put in the effort to attain skill and competence use for their failure. Maybe innate talent is real. May not. There is really no research available on talent except for a couple studies involving twins separated at birth. And the numbers were not large enough to provide any answers relative to talent.
However, we do know that environment, upbringing and support form influential elders all play a huge role.
However, we do know that environment, upbringing and support form influential elders all play a huge role.
Nature versus nurture
Feb 12, 2018 09:28:31 #
dsmeltz wrote:
OK. Talent is the excuse that those unwilling to put in the effort to attain skill and competence use for their failure. Maybe innate talent is real. May not. There is really no research available on talent except for a couple studies involving twins separated at birth. And the numbers were not large enough to provide any answers relative to talent.
However, we do know that environment, upbringing and support form influential elders all play a huge role.
However, we do know that environment, upbringing and support form influential elders all play a huge role.
I agree that most of the information abut "talent" is by and large is from personal observations, anecdotal. But to ignore the probability of innate talent, it would be an error. Art is an expression, in that it is a form of communication. And the form of Art requires the same criteria as language. Yes, there needs to be some training, but this is in motor skills and materials. It still takes something from the Artist to create Art. Photography is just like a language. Some can speak many languages. Some can create Art using differing medias. And some focus on being the best in one language, some becoming artisans.
A well educated photographer is not an Artist until he chooses to "say" something. How he "says" something is the result of all that he has acquired, innate, environs, and training. The proportions of the mix determines on how well he "says" it.
Feb 12, 2018 09:49:14 #
Stephan G wrote:
<snip> It still takes something from the Artist to create Art. <snip>
Yes. It does. It is called humanity which comes to us at birth. This spark is difficult to nourish and easy to stamp out.
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