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Feb 8, 2018 08:04:45   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
OddJobber wrote:
Because you're posting when good Hoggers are already in bed or are still getting drunk ?

From the nature of your question, it doesn't appear you're ready to transition from stills to video.


Larry, I totally agree that I am nowhere near ready to do this!

On the other issue, I haven’t received any notice like I used too for responses provided. I’ve checked my settings and both boxes to receive notices are checked.

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Feb 8, 2018 08:06:01   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
SteveR wrote:
Are you near a professional camera shop? There are pieces of equipment that might come in handy. For one, a frame to mount that camera on so you aren't hand holding the camera. Be sure to get a good microphone to attach to your camera. You can also attach a monitor to the frame so you're not having to look through the viewfinder or trying to get a good view from a small LCD display on the back of the camera. You should be able to get good advice on how to put this equipment together.....and rent it. If there's not a camera shop, check for video rentals. Also, you might need a light to attach to the frame as well. The rental place should help you out.
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Thanks Steve that’s the next step I’m taking.

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Feb 8, 2018 08:14:55   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
To all,
I may have found a solution. I have two older video recorders, one is a Sony with a flip out LCD screen. It takes really nice clear video, however I’m not sure if the batteries are any longer good, and it’s about 25 years old!
The other is a newer Canon (about 10 years old) which also took great video’s. I’m going to dig them out and give that a try!

I’ll let you folks know how I made out.
Thanks

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Feb 8, 2018 08:25:46   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
SteveR wrote:
Are you near a professional camera shop? There are pieces of equipment that might come in handy. For one, a frame to mount that camera on so you aren't hand holding the camera. Be sure to get a good microphone to attach to your camera. You can also attach a monitor to the frame so you're not having to look through the viewfinder or trying to get a good view from a small LCD display on the back of the camera. You should be able to get good advice on how to put this equipment together.....and rent it. If there's not a camera shop, check for video rentals. Also, you might need a light to attach to the frame as well. The rental place should help you out.
Are you near a professional camera shop? There ar... (show quote)

I'm going to throw a monkey wrench into this discussion.

Contact the site that will be hosting the party.

Find out what they allow supplemental lighting to be used while filming, because they might not allow any. Often "Club" lighting is designed with the customer in mind, and adding light basically destroys the effect of the carefully planned and executed site lighting.

So, if they don't allow supplemental lighting, you're going to need equipment specifically designed for shooting in low light situations, and the 7D MII isn't the best body for that need. You're going to need a lens that has the widest opening, an f-stop in the 1.x range to shoot in low light situations with this body. But you're going to run into a very narrow depth of field that wide open.

I do agree with the suggestion for a good microphone.

If there is time before the event, make a trial run at the "Club" and test out your equipment with the existing in house lighting.

Talk to the "Club" management in advance to introduce yourself.

Is this a "Private" event, or will there be general admittance "Public" attendees there as well? Will you need signed releases from everyone at the club?

Personally in this situation, I would hire a professional videographer for the "Sweet Sixteen" party, and enjoy myself instead of stressing out over the quality of the video that you're shooting, and if you gotten a shot of everyone who's important to capture for this special event.

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Feb 8, 2018 09:30:56   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:


If there is time before the event, make a trial run at the "Club" and test out your equipment with the existing in house lighting.

Talk to the "Club" management in advance to introduce yourself.

Is this a "Private" event, or will there be general admittance "Public" attendees there as well? Will you need signed releases from everyone at the club?

Personally in this situation, I would hire a professional videographer for the "Sweet Sixteen" party, and enjoy myself instead of stressing out over the quality of the video that you're shooting, and if you gotten a shot of everyone who's important to capture for this special event.
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Thanks Shutterbug, Based on the suggestions I received I'm not going to use my camera. The venue is a private affair, and I have some flexibility at the club. But, I will try and see how my actual video equipment works, it that doesn't work, I'll hire a pro and call it a day.

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Feb 8, 2018 10:21:57   #
Country Boy Loc: Beckley, WV
 
Based on my limited experience I would still suggest giving it a test run. Years past I had top rated video equipment but that was a long time ago. I recently needed to video a church function and used my Nikon 7100 since I did not have a regular video camera. I found it went very well. I did purchase an external mike and was shocked to find the camera mike picked up almost as good as the external but most of the event was increased volume due to the PA system. Again, I was shocked and ready to go purchase video equipment and found that it was much easier than expected. If you give it a quick test you may be amazed at what you can do!

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Feb 8, 2018 12:25:36   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
Country Boy wrote:
Based on my limited experience I would still suggest giving it a test run. Years past I had top rated video equipment but that was a long time ago. I recently needed to video a church function and used my Nikon 7100 since I did not have a regular video camera. I found it went very well. I did purchase an external mike and was shocked to find the camera mike picked up almost as good as the external but most of the event was increased volume due to the PA system. Again, I was shocked and ready to go purchase video equipment and found that it was much easier than expected. If you give it a quick test you may be amazed at what you can do!
Based on my limited experience I would still sugge... (show quote)


Thanks Country Boy,
I’m currently charging the batteries to the Canon ZR 200 and checking the memory cards too. Once everything is charged, I’ll play around with it. If it works I’m going to give it a try and hope for the best!

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Feb 8, 2018 17:25:58   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
Cookie223 wrote:
Just when I was starting to feel a bit more comfortable and confident taking pictures (Still have a ways to go), the women in my family (Wife, daughter, and granddaughter) want me to take videos of her upcoming Sweet 16! Since I didn't want to ruin this once in a life time event by taking bad pictures, I suggested they hire a professional to take pictures which they did. However he will only be taking pictures, and my wife and daughter want me to video the event! Needless to say I'm in a total panic hoping that I'm not biting off more than I should. How different/more difficult will taking a video in a Disco type event, compared to taking pictures?

I have a Canon 7D MK II, a EF 50mm 1:1.4 AF/MF, EF 24-105L 1:4 IS USM, EF 70-200 1:2.8L II IS USM. I also have an Canon EF 1.4 III extender, and a 580 EX II speed lite. Since the venue is indoors (Night club setting) with flashing colored lights, the greatest distance I'll be from the entrance, and other party activity will be about 75' or less, I think the one of above lens will suffice. I also have a sturdy tri-pod.

Now all I need are some suggestions that will give me a chance to video some decent footage.
Your help is greatly appreciated.

Easier in some ways, and harder in others. Some serious practice is in order before the event. One of the most important considerations in video is being able to hold the camera steady. Best to stay on a fairly wide lens setting to capture the big picture. If you want to get closer, move in; do not zoom in. That's a prescription for "seasick-cam." Play your practice material back on a video monitor to check quality and consistency. You cannot judge it adequately on any camera's tiny view screen. This process will give you confidence and a much better outcome. Best of luck! >Alan





Thanks Cookie
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Feb 8, 2018 18:59:21   #
epd1947
 
Cookie223 wrote:
Just when I was starting to feel a bit more comfortable and confident taking pictures (Still have a ways to go), the women in my family (Wife, daughter, and granddaughter) want me to take videos of her upcoming Sweet 16! Since I didn't want to ruin this once in a life time event by taking bad pictures, I suggested they hire a professional to take pictures which they did. However he will only be taking pictures, and my wife and daughter want me to video the event! Needless to say I'm in a total panic hoping that I'm not biting off more than I should. How different/more difficult will taking a video in a Disco type event, compared to taking pictures?

I have a Canon 7D MK II, a EF 50mm 1:1.4 AF/MF, EF 24-105L 1:4 IS USM, EF 70-200 1:2.8L II IS USM. I also have an Canon EF 1.4 III extender, and a 580 EX II speed lite. Since the venue is indoors (Night club setting) with flashing colored lights, the greatest distance I'll be from the entrance, and other party activity will be about 75' or less, I think the one of above lens will suffice. I also have a sturdy tri-pod.

Now all I need are some suggestions that will give me a chance to video some decent footage.
Your help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks Cookie
Just when I was starting to feel a bit more comfor... (show quote)


Of course I don't know your situation - but, if it were me, I would hire a videographer and make that my gift - that way you can stop stressing out over the whole matter as well as go to the event and enjoy yourself. You could certainly shoot some photos and videos to supplement what the hired pros will do - but the pressure will certainly be off. Don't forget also that simply shooting the footage is only part of the game - putting the video clips together in post is a big job - I do no video editing at all (I rarely shoot video and when I do it's just quick clips) but from what I have gathered it is quite a lot of work.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

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Feb 8, 2018 20:37:56   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
You are going to need some light to do video. Invest in a LED portable video light and get some help for the event. You'll need someone to hold the light and follow you around. Don't take really long takes. 30 seconds to a minute and then find another take. I don't know if you've ever used a DSLR for video or not, but there are some settings you'll want to adhere to. First off, you want to set up for a shutter speed of about double your video frame rate. So if you are shooting 24fps HD video (for 30fps use 1/60th of a sec shutter) you want to set your shutter for 1/50th of a second, start with ISO 100, and then adjust your aperture to get the proper exposure with the light you use. If the light is too bright, have your helper back off a few feet or stop down the aperture. If the light isn't bright enough, raise your ISO or open up the aperture. One of your problems is going to be keeping your camera steady if you don't have a 3 way gimbal. You can get fairly steady video without one, but it's going to take practice. Turn the lights off in your living room and practice shooting video on a test subject. There is a lot more to learn about video using a DSLR, but there isn't enough time for me to type all of it. I've taken some 2 hour classes and even those were pretty basic classes and I could learn more with some hands on training sessions.

Cookie223 wrote:
Just when I was starting to feel a bit more comfortable and confident taking pictures (Still have a ways to go), the women in my family (Wife, daughter, and granddaughter) want me to take videos of her upcoming Sweet 16! Since I didn't want to ruin this once in a life time event by taking bad pictures, I suggested they hire a professional to take pictures which they did. However he will only be taking pictures, and my wife and daughter want me to video the event! Needless to say I'm in a total panic hoping that I'm not biting off more than I should. How different/more difficult will taking a video in a Disco type event, compared to taking pictures?

I have a Canon 7D MK II, a EF 50mm 1:1.4 AF/MF, EF 24-105L 1:4 IS USM, EF 70-200 1:2.8L II IS USM. I also have an Canon EF 1.4 III extender, and a 580 EX II speed lite. Since the venue is indoors (Night club setting) with flashing colored lights, the greatest distance I'll be from the entrance, and other party activity will be about 75' or less, I think the one of above lens will suffice. I also have a sturdy tri-pod.

Now all I need are some suggestions that will give me a chance to video some decent footage.
Your help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks Cookie
Just when I was starting to feel a bit more comfor... (show quote)

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Feb 8, 2018 22:43:31   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
epd1947 wrote:
Of course I don't know your situation - but, if it were me, I would hire a videographer and make that my gift -

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.


Thanks EPD1947. I have an older Sony ZR 200 camcorder that tales pretty decent video's. I'm going to give it a try, since they already will have a professional photographer, They'll have some decent pictures to save. if I screw the video up it won't be a total loss.

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Feb 8, 2018 22:48:39   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
You are going to need some light to do video. Invest in a LED portable video light and get some help for the event. You'll need someone to hold the light and follow you around. Don't take really long takes. 30 seconds to a minute and then find another take. I don't know if you've ever used a DSLR for video or not, but there are some settings you'll want to adhere to. First off, you want to set up for a shutter speed of about double your video frame rate. So if you are shooting 24fps HD video (for 30fps use 1/60th of a sec shutter) you want to set your shutter for 1/50th of a second, start with ISO 100, and then adjust your aperture to get the proper exposure with the light you use. If the light is too bright, have your helper back off a few feet or stop down the aperture. If the light isn't bright enough, raise your ISO or open up the aperture. One of your problems is going to be keeping your camera steady if you don't have a 3 way gimbal. You can get fairly steady video without one, but it's going to take practice. Turn the lights off in your living room and practice shooting video on a test subject. There is a lot more to learn about video using a DSLR, but there isn't enough time for me to type all of it. I've taken some 2 hour classes and even those were pretty basic classes and I could learn more with some hands on training sessions.
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I DISAGREE: Most current video camera and camcorders do not need a lot of light like older generations of gear did. The are designed to capture the great majority of scenes with only ambient light. You are making this task way more complicated than it needs to be, but the proof is in the video. The OP needs to practice in a similarly ambient-lit environment and see what quality he gets. I can tell you that with a $100 camcorder, I was able to capture excellent footage in household interior room light.

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Feb 8, 2018 22:50:10   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
You are going to need some light to do video. Invest in a LED portable video light and get some help for the event. You'll need someone to hold the light and follow you around. Don't take really long takes. 30 seconds to a minute and then find another take. I don't know if you've ever used a DSLR for video or not, but there are some settings you'll want to adhere to. First off, you want to set up for a shutter speed of about double your video frame rate. So if you are shooting 24fps HD video (for 30fps use 1/60th of a sec shutter) you want to set your shutter for 1/50th of a second, start with ISO 100, and then adjust your aperture to get the proper exposure with the light you use. If the light is too bright, have your helper back off a few feet or stop down the aperture. If the light isn't bright enough, raise your ISO or open up the aperture. One of your problems is going to be keeping your camera steady if you don't have a 3 way gimbal. You can get fairly steady video without one, but it's going to take practice. Turn the lights off in your living room and practice shooting video on a test subject. There is a lot more to learn about video using a DSLR, but there isn't enough time for me to type all of it. I've taken some 2 hour classes and even those were pretty basic classes and I could learn more with some hands on training sessions.
You are going to need some light to do video. Inv... (show quote)


Thanks Jeep Daddy, Even though i have the basic gear, I really doubt that I will get into video recording more than this one time. I'm still learning about taking pictures with my camera, the last thing I needed was to tackle this project! I have an older Sony video recorder which works great and will give that a shot. If it works out then I'm good, if it doesn't, then at least they'll have the pictures done by the pro.

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Feb 9, 2018 00:12:23   #
radiojohn
 
It's like asking a baker to make chop suey. Run!

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Feb 9, 2018 00:16:55   #
frankie c Loc: Lake Havasu CIty, AZ
 
Cookie223 wrote:
Just when I was starting to feel a bit more comfortable and confident taking pictures (Still have a ways to go), the women in my family (Wife, daughter, and granddaughter) want me to take videos of her upcoming Sweet 16! Since I didn't want to ruin this once in a life time event by taking bad pictures, I suggested they hire a professional to take pictures which they did. However he will only be taking pictures, and my wife and daughter want me to video the event! Needless to say I'm in a total panic hoping that I'm not biting off more than I should. How different/more difficult will taking a video in a Disco type event, compared to taking pictures?

I have a Canon 7D MK II, a EF 50mm 1:1.4 AF/MF, EF 24-105L 1:4 IS USM, EF 70-200 1:2.8L II IS USM. I also have an Canon EF 1.4 III extender, and a 580 EX II speed lite. Since the venue is indoors (Night club setting) with flashing colored lights, the greatest distance I'll be from the entrance, and other party activity will be about 75' or less, I think the one of above lens will suffice. I also have a sturdy tri-pod.

Now all I need are some suggestions that will give me a chance to video some decent footage.
Your help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks Cookie
Just when I was starting to feel a bit more comfor... (show quote)


Just do it..... todays cameras are really pretty good self adjusting. if you use a slightly wide angle prime at around f4 and auto ISO, the only challenge may be maintaining focus which should not drift with to much with that type of lens. If the video comes out a little home made it will add to the charm and the love will shine through. Also, nobody will care about the sound quality. Don't try to get fancy with the lighting either let the camera handle the available light. It won't be a re-make of gone with the wind but over time it will be a classic..... Grandpa made :) good luck and congratulations.

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