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Feb 1, 2018 23:04:52   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Steve Perry wrote:
The problem is, there's no info in the areas that have problem to save. It's like trying to clone a baseball hat off of someone - how do you put their hair where the cap was?


Is that a political observation?

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Feb 2, 2018 06:29:33   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
lablover wrote:
Hello,
I am a newbie on this forum and have learnt a lot from you wise folks. I have a friend who recently acquired a Sony A7r ii. She is keen to take bird pictures but it appears that her pictures are posterized, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!


In this specific image, it seems that it was shot as a jpeg, which discards lots of detail especially in the darker areas. If this was a raw file, there would have been a lot more shadow detail to recover. Better yet, if it was exposed 1/2 to one stop brighter, there would be even more detail at both extremes.

It is not unlike these two images, shot as raw, settings chosen with the intent on post processing for shadows and highlights later.


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Feb 2, 2018 07:27:35   #
Fotoserj Loc: St calixte Qc Ca
 
My coach always have us using our flash for birding it help with the shadow

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Feb 2, 2018 07:33:11   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Fotoserj wrote:
My coach always have us using our flash for birding it help with the shadow


While it certainly does help backlight and sidelight issues, and lends a nice catchlight in the eye, if there are any out of focus twigs and leaves in or near the line of sight, and closer, they will be extremely distracting and difficult to remove in post processing.

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Feb 2, 2018 08:49:17   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Fotoserj wrote:
My coach always have us using our flash for birding it help with the shadow


Really? So you shoot birds when on your own and far away from other photographers and birders (I hope.) Who is the brilliant "coach" who encourages chasing birds away with a flash? Is it your football coach?

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Feb 2, 2018 09:07:11   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Really? So you shoot birds when on your own and far away from other photographers and birders (I hope.) Who is the brilliant "coach" who encourages chasing birds away with a flash? Is it your football coach?


Flash does not chase birds. The Better Beamer was designed with birds in mind.

https://www.google.com/search?q=shooting+birds+with+better+beamer&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&rlz=1I7ADFA_enUS433&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjO1LPUsYfZAhVHrVkKHY0ND4QQ_AUICygC&biw=1022&bih=642&dpr=1.3

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Feb 2, 2018 09:51:02   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
lablover wrote:
I had to google it . Posterization or posterisation of an image entails conversion of a continuous gradation of tone to several regions of fewer tones, with abrupt changes from one tone to another. This was originally done with photographic processes to create posters.


Whaaaaatttt?

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Feb 2, 2018 09:57:19   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
Steve Perry wrote:
I doubt it - it's a no win scenario. If you exposure for the bird, the sky would blow out and start bleeding into the branches. Sometimes the conditions prevent a good photo.


Exactly. Often times the answer is, 'go shoot a better scene'.

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Feb 2, 2018 10:17:38   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Really? So you shoot birds when on your own and far away from other photographers and birders (I hope.) Who is the brilliant "coach" who encourages chasing birds away with a flash? Is it your football coach?


Lots of people use flash with bird photography. I've done it myself, never once have had one freak out about it. Mammals on the other hand, some REALLY hate it. Have to be careful. Just last year I had a white faced monkey get really ticked off when I used a flash - thought he was going to jump on me for a second there. I shut that stuff off immediately!

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Feb 2, 2018 10:22:39   #
Jim Bob
 
Steve Perry wrote:
Lots of people use flash with bird photography. I've done it myself, never once have had one freak out about it. Mammals on the other hand, some REALLY hate it. Have to be careful. Just last year I had a white faced money get really ticked off when I used a flash - thought he was going to jump on me for a second there. I shut that stuff off immediately!


So you didn't get a chance to spank that monkey? How sad.

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Feb 2, 2018 10:25:04   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
Jim Bob wrote:
So you didn't get a chance to spank that monkey? How sad.


Oh my!

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Feb 2, 2018 10:26:46   #
Jim Bob
 
Steve Perry wrote:
Oh my!


My man, just keep up the good work and thank you for your kernels of knowledge and wisdom. Love your books.

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Feb 2, 2018 10:30:10   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
Jim Bob wrote:
My man, just keep up the good work and thank you for your kernels of knowledge and wisdom. Love your books.


Thanks :)

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Feb 2, 2018 10:33:39   #
Jim Bob
 
Steve Perry wrote:
Thanks :)


Even Ken Wheeler, commonly referred to as "the angry photographer" had plaudits for you. So you know you have arrived.

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Feb 2, 2018 11:18:14   #
mikegreenwald Loc: Illinois
 
I suspect Bracketing would have helped - multiple choices to work from, including HDR if the bird remained still for all exposures.

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