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Feb 1, 2018 12:54:58   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
Gene51 wrote:
Actually not really. Stability is directly correlated to two main factors - the diameter of the top tube and how it attaches to the camera platform - the bigger each of these is the more torsionally rigid and stable it will be. A secondary factor is the leg locking mechanism. Gitzo, RRS, Induro, Benro Feisol and some of the higher end Sirui tripods all publish their leg diameter data, but only RRS and Gitzo make the correlation to focal length/magnification, and Induro by association - their leg diameters are almost exactly the same as Gitzo.
Actually not really. Stability is directly correla... (show quote)

Thanks, I'm reluctantly agreeing with you. The reluctance is naturally coming from the anticipation of carrying that size tripod each day for 2-4 miles along with a 15 lb backpack and binocs, as well. That Manfrotto 058B comes in at a "hardly light by any means" 13.6 lbs! Heck, that's within ounces of what's hanging off my back! Know where I can hire a porter? Your skyline shots are excellent, btw!

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Feb 1, 2018 14:47:43   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Gene51 wrote:
I did exactly that for 3 weeks in Ireland. Took an RX10M4 - no tripod, nothing else. No regrets.

Last night I was taking night shots of the NYC skyline, with an 80-200 - and it was a little windy. Two friends were also there, one with a very nice $400 Benro Travel Angel for her 100-400, and 24-105, and the other using a Globetrotter with her 24-120 and 150-600, and neither were able to nail sharp, clear pictures. I brought my two Feisols, I used the 3472 and the friend with the 150-600 used the 3442. I told her it was the wrong tripod for that lens, but she was able to get a fair number of vibration-free images, even at full 600mm, when the wind died down. Both took turns using the 3472 and claimed that the images that they took with it were the only ones that had no vibration.

So, a tripod can be used in a number of settings that don't involve wildlife, where a body pod, monopod or anything other than a solid platform would be ill-advised and frustrating to use. Here is an example of what we were shooting in a 12-18 mph wind.
I did exactly that for 3 weeks in Ireland. Took an... (show quote)


Most of us do NOT do 600mm night shots !! - but for those that do - I agree with you

I don't think the OP is doing them either........Sooo, what was your shutter speed, if I may ask ??

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Feb 1, 2018 14:49:36   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
47greyfox wrote:
Thanks, I'm reluctantly agreeing with you. The reluctance is naturally coming from the anticipation of carrying that size tripod each day for 2-4 miles along with a 15 lb backpack and binocs, as well. That Manfrotto 058B comes in at a "hardly light by any means" 13.6 lbs! Heck, that's within ounces of what's hanging off my back! Know where I can hire a porter? Your skyline shots are excellent, btw!


You are a younger?/better man than I !

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Feb 1, 2018 15:38:42   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
imagemeister wrote:
You are a younger?/better man than I !


Ha! No-o-o-o..... I'm 72 and, even though I'm appreciative and pretty much in agreement with Gene51's suggestions, the thought of lugging the combination of body, lenses, and tripod is becoming more and more unacceptable for 4 miles each day for a week. One tweak of my somewhat fragile lower back and I'm SOL for the remainder of the workshop. I'm not sure what I'm going to do to be honest. One option is to rent a Sony RX10 IV and not bring the beefier body and lenses. Believe me, that's crossing my mind more and more.

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Feb 1, 2018 17:47:23   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
Love the shots. The proof is in the pictures....


Thanks!

Pictures do add a measure of credibility . . .

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Feb 1, 2018 17:48:42   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
47greyfox wrote:
Ha! No-o-o-o..... I'm 72 and, even though I'm appreciative and pretty much in agreement with Gene51's suggestions, the thought of lugging the combination of body, lenses, and tripod is becoming more and more unacceptable for 4 miles each day for a week. One tweak of my somewhat fragile lower back and I'm SOL for the remainder of the workshop. I'm not sure what I'm going to do to be honest. One option is to rent a Sony RX10 IV and not bring the beefier body and lenses. Believe me, that's crossing my mind more and more.
Ha! No-o-o-o..... I'm 72 and, even though I'm appr... (show quote)


It's a great camera. But it isn't a great substitute for a larger sensor. That being said, I love my RX10M4 - all 2.5 lbs of it.

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Feb 1, 2018 17:56:41   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
imagemeister wrote:
Most of us do NOT do 600mm night shots !! - but for those that do - I agree with you

I don't think the OP is doing them either........Sooo, what was your shutter speed, if I may ask ??


Actually, she was doing the moon through the clouds - here are a couple of examples of her shots downloaded from Facebook.

I couldn't tell you what settings she was using.

My shutter speeds ranged from 6 secs to 1/8 sec, all at ISO 100, depending on whether I wanted some surface features to show up. The haze and cloud layer, along with it being a full moon, made it hard to get any detail in the moon.


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Feb 1, 2018 19:01:23   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Gene51 wrote:
Actually, she was doing the moon through the clouds - here are a couple of examples of her shots downloaded from Facebook.

I couldn't tell you what settings she was using.

My shutter speeds ranged from 6 secs to 1/8 sec, all at ISO 100, depending on whether I wanted some surface features to show up. The haze and cloud layer, along with it being a full moon, made it hard to get any detail in the moon.


That's kinda what I thought

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Feb 1, 2018 19:03:44   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
47greyfox wrote:
Ha! No-o-o-o..... I'm 72 and, even though I'm appreciative and pretty much in agreement with Gene51's suggestions, the thought of lugging the combination of body, lenses, and tripod is becoming more and more unacceptable for 4 miles each day for a week. One tweak of my somewhat fragile lower back and I'm SOL for the remainder of the workshop. I'm not sure what I'm going to do to be honest. One option is to rent a Sony RX10 IV and not bring the beefier body and lenses. Believe me, that's crossing my mind more and more.
Ha! No-o-o-o..... I'm 72 and, even though I'm appr... (show quote)


I would take a monopod - even with an RX10 - keep the ISO's down.

That way you can laugh at all those with tripods - as they huff and puff. 8-)

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Feb 1, 2018 19:23:58   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
Gene51 wrote:
It's a great camera. But it isn't a great substitute for a larger sensor. That being said, I love my RX10M4 - all 2.5 lbs of it.

Yeah, it's a dilemma. I have a call into the tour lead after reading the RRS and Gitzo references you sent me. I also went into chat mode with B&H and Adorama. Even expressing my (your) concerns, they were still trying to drive me toward the Mefoto Globetrotter.

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Feb 1, 2018 19:26:42   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
Gene51 wrote:
Actually, she was doing the moon through the clouds - here are a couple of examples of her shots downloaded from Facebook.

I couldn't tell you what settings she was using.

My shutter speeds ranged from 6 secs to 1/8 sec, all at ISO 100, depending on whether I wanted some surface features to show up. The haze and cloud layer, along with it being a full moon, made it hard to get any detail in the moon.

C'mon, Gene51, time to come clean. You and friend got all those nice shots handheld.......



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