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Feb 1, 2018 11:18:49   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
gvarner wrote:
I see this all the time, leave some room for cropping. Is there a guide that any of you use? Thanks.


The only reason people say this is for printing purposes. Your sensor has a ratio of 2x3 which would effectively print a nice 4x6, or 6x9 or 8x12 or 10x15 and so on. But what if your frame is matted for 8x10 or some other ratio. If you leave room to crop, you can usually get the subject framed in such a way as to crop to fit whatever size frame or matt you have.

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Feb 1, 2018 11:27:15   #
Anvil Loc: Loveland, CO
 
There is one set of cases in which I actually compose FOR the crop, and that is when I am taking pictures with an ultra wide angle lens. With such a lens, everything but the center of the frame will be distorted, and the closer you get to the edges, the more apparent is the distortion. When I take a photo using an ultra wide, I will place the subject in the center of the frame, to minimize the distortion of that subject. However, I have no intention of leaving the subject in the center of the final shot. I crop the photo so that the subject is where I want it to be, and it still has minimal distortion. I have to leave plenty of room for the crop, in situations like this.

Here is an example of what I mean. This shot was taken with a focal length of 10mm, on a crop frame camera. The vase of flowers was dead center in the camera frame, but it follows the Rule of Thirds, in the crop.



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Feb 1, 2018 11:34:28   #
BebuLamar
 
rdgreenwood wrote:
Those old film lessons die hard, but they're often superseded by the advantages of digital cameras. Check out these three images. Don't rush from one to the next; move slowly. Notice that the set derives from one image, an image of the shopping district of Vienna. My 39 megapixel camera allowed me to get the three images from one shot. I used this series in a presentation I did, titled "Crop Till You Drop." I believe it. Why would we not make use of our advanced gear?

BTW, in the presentation I used three more images from the one original. I've only included three here as I feel they make my point and save you some viewing.
Those old film lessons die hard, but they're often... (show quote)


But I can't do that as I have only 16MP camera.

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Feb 1, 2018 11:40:48   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I don't think I have ever taken a picture, thinking about cropping later. I take the photo of what I like. If there is no room for cropping then I don't crop. But I still have the photo I wanted to end up with.

Dennis


...I do this frequently (think about cropping later)...mostly when shooting 2x3 and knowing I'm going to change to another aspect ratio, but, lately, shooting art on the wall(s). In the latter case, if I'm angled at all it shows up in post and I have to tweak the pic to "get square" to the frame of the final image (this usually done using the "transform" section in Lightroom.

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Feb 1, 2018 11:47:41   #
Booker
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Having spent a lot of years with 35mm film, it's still hard for me to reconcile the idea of leaving room when it was pounded into my head to "watch the edges of the frame" and to carefully compose for the result I want.

Having said that, there are times I know I'll be cropping just because the camera's aspect isn't what I envisioned for the scene, or something is in the way that I can't avoid by my framing.

I also learned, from UHH, how to add white space to the edges of the image if I find myself in a jam with wanting to crop for a certain picture frame or matte that doesn't support the aspect - this allows printing at automated places like Costco.

Pro's talk about leaving space so that both a 5x7 and an 8x10 can be achieved from a sensor size intended to produce 4x6 and 8x12. Aspect ratio can be a fuzzy concept
Having spent a lot of years with 35mm film, it's s... (show quote)


I think this says it all. I always leave a little room, since my opinion of
The scene may change a bit once I get home.

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Feb 1, 2018 13:02:45   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
I too tend to compose my image as I see it and want it to look like when ready to print/show - yes this also may include some PP but I do that to all my images.
Harvey
dennis2146 wrote:
I don't think I have ever taken a picture, thinking about cropping later. I take the photo of what I like. If there is no room for cropping then I don't crop. But I still have the photo I wanted to end up with.

Dennis

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Feb 1, 2018 13:24:02   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
cyclespeed wrote:
One thought is that many lenses are not not sharp near the edges so leaving room to crop will allow for removal of the portion of the image that is not as good as the rest. Fringes are sometimes a little purplish or warped.


Get a better lens.

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Feb 1, 2018 13:37:27   #
Pixie Jackie Loc: New Hampshire seacoast
 
In the "old days" (using film) I always tried to compose 'in-camera' because film was expensive. But even then, since I had my own darkroom, I would crop using the enlarger. But now, using digital cameras, there's no reason to shoot tight. You can shoot a scene from several angles and decide later on which works best, and THEN crop. "Better safe than sorry."
And if you always "Save" the original, the possibilities are endless. Often you see something you hadn't noticed. As several on this thread have said, "There are pictures within pictures." There's a famous Arnold Newman photograph of Igor Stravinsky at the piano. The original shot showed Stravinsky and the whole piano, but when Newman looked at it, he decided to crop the image considerably, showing the composer and only the lid of the piano. They formed a triangular shape. Everyone complimented him on the composition, but he admitted that he hadn't originally seen it that way. -- Jackie

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Feb 1, 2018 14:47:39   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
What do you plan on doing with your image? If all you want is to post it on the internet then there is no need for cropping (and leaving room to do it). If you want to print your photos, then it's a matter of either cropping them or resizing them. When I take a landscape I usually want to keep everything in my photo, so I wind up resizing it (to the image size I will have printed). Resizing causes some distortion in the photo, but it's not that noticeable with landscapes. It is much more noticeable with portraits. That is why I will crop a portrait and remind myself to leave enough room to give me the size of photo I want.

Cropping a head of time is important. My wife brought a load of photos I took of our grandson to the local drugstore to have them printed. (She had them on a thumb drives so she could view them on her laptop). She was spitting fire after she got home and found that they chopped the top my grandson's head off in every single photo! The drug store printed what she gave them and the images didn't fit the paper size (4x6) that she chose. Now, whenever I give her a thumb drive, I crop all of the photos to the size she wants.

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Feb 1, 2018 16:13:44   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
gvarner wrote:
I see this all the time, leave some room for cropping. Is there a guide that any of you use? Thanks.


The only guide that I use is if there is a doubt in one's mind as to how the image will be printed, I will leave a little extra room between anything of interest in the image and the sides of the " frame". Otherwise I will shoot the image to "fill the canvas" given.

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Feb 1, 2018 18:31:28   #
epd1947
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I don't think I have ever taken a picture, thinking about cropping later. I take the photo of what I like. If there is no room for cropping then I don't crop. But I still have the photo I wanted to end up with.

Dennis


That's certainly one approach - but it depends on what you are shooting and why. There are times when a client might specify a particular size print (thereby also dictating a particular aspect ratio) - if the aspect ratio of your camera doesn't meet that need then you need to leave room to crop to achieve the size the client has specified. Also, if you don't ever crop you end up with all of your photos at the very same aspect ratio (say 3:2) - and that might not be the best proportion for the scene being captured. The aspect ratio of display or print should (imo) be a part of the creative process.

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Feb 1, 2018 19:16:34   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 
All advice here is food for thought. I have seen "fill the frame" which will give little to no room for a crop. I found out the hard way that if you want to print an image in a canvas wrap you had better leave some room or you will lose a good bit of the edges of your photograph which you might not want to do.

Don

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Feb 1, 2018 19:21:48   #
SENSORLOUPE
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Having spent a lot of years with 35mm film, it's still hard for me to reconcile the idea of leaving room when it was pounded into my head to "watch the edges of the frame" and to carefully compose for the result I want.

Having said that, there are times I know I'll be cropping just because the camera's aspect isn't what I envisioned for the scene, or something is in the way that I can't avoid by my framing.

I also learned, from UHH, how to add white space to the edges of the image if I find myself in a jam with wanting to crop for a certain picture frame or matte that doesn't support the aspect - this allows printing at automated places like Costco.

Pro's talk about leaving space so that both a 5x7 and an 8x10 can be achieved from a sensor size intended to produce 4x6 and 8x12. Aspect ratio can be a fuzzy concept
Having spent a lot of years with 35mm film, it's s... (show quote)


I learned to take 2 steps backwards, if you want to print a 8x10 and get all you shot in the picture. 5x7's don't seem to be that touchy. I do like to fill the frame and if I don't watch it, 8x10 cuts some off

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Feb 1, 2018 23:25:51   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
gvarner wrote:
I see this all the time, leave some room for cropping. Is there a guide that any of you use? Thanks.


==

Shooting with a "full-frame" camera - I overshoot by about 2% if I can.

In a 4/3's sensor = not so much.

If I am using my Panasonic SX-7 (pocket camera) - NEVER.

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Feb 2, 2018 02:26:56   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
gvarner wrote:
I see this all the time, leave some room for cropping. Is there a guide that any of you use? Thanks.


I pretty much do what Linda From Maine says. I'll plan ahead and try to crop in camera for the shot and for what print ratio(s) I may want to print to. Sometime I go way tight other times I leave room so I can go vertical from a horizontal.

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