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Jan 27, 2018 07:22:28   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
the solar panel installers are crying tariffs will hurt them by upping cost. you can't boost our economy by depending on cheap imports forever. we need more things made here. we need jobs for the unsk**led and semisk**led workers. they out number everybody else. since the 50' we have let whole industries go overseas. those days are over. we also can't afford to bring in sk**led workers for cheap labor and ignore training our own people in those sk**ls. we've just given industry a gift of 12 percent actual taxes, use the windfall to offset tariffs and open more factories HERE.

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Jan 27, 2018 07:29:05   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Bring back Shop Class. That's where I learned the difference between the black wire, The White wire and the bare wire.

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Jan 27, 2018 07:49:23   #
OlinBost Loc: Marietta, Ga.
 
Bring back True Technical Schools otherwise known as Trade Schools.

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Jan 27, 2018 08:02:10   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
OlinBost wrote:
Bring back True Technical Schools otherwise known as Trade Schools.


I grew up in Cleveland ohio in the late 50's. we had the Cleveland trade school and the east and west technical high schools. they put a lot of ready new recruits into the work force. and don't forget the old standby, O.J.T. on the job training.

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Jan 27, 2018 08:10:38   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
bull drink water wrote:
the solar panel installers are crying tariffs will hurt them by upping cost. you can't boost our economy by depending on cheap imports forever. we need more things made here. we need jobs for the unsk**led and semisk**led workers. they out number everybody else. since the 50' we have let whole industries go overseas. those days are over. we also can't afford to bring in sk**led workers for cheap labor and ignore training our own people in those sk**ls. we've just given industry a gift of 12 percent actual taxes, use the windfall to offset tariffs and open more factories HERE.
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That ship sailed decades ago. Automation and world competition are two big contributors.

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Jan 27, 2018 08:44:54   #
ottopj Loc: Annapolis, MD USA
 
Most of the solar industry in this country is installation, not manufacturing. So, with the increase in materials, it will cut down on installation. more people out of work than before. Companies not willing to invest in huge $$ to start manufacturing plants.

So, less solar installation and no more manufacturing tht there was before. A wonderful lose, lose. Thanks, DT!

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Jan 27, 2018 09:11:30   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
bull drink water wrote:
the solar panel installers are crying tariffs will hurt them by upping cost. you can't boost our economy by depending on cheap imports forever. we need more things made here. we need jobs for the unsk**led and semisk**led workers. they out number everybody else. since the 50' we have let whole industries go overseas. those days are over. we also can't afford to bring in sk**led workers for cheap labor and ignore training our own people in those sk**ls. we've just given industry a gift of 12 percent actual taxes, use the windfall to offset tariffs and open more factories HERE.
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Jan 27, 2018 09:15:09   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
OlinBost wrote:
Bring back True Technical Schools otherwise known as Trade Schools.


And more shop in high school. Don't know about other states but the DemoCraps have totally destroyed education in California.

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Jan 27, 2018 10:15:10   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
We could build solar panels in West Virginia but Mr. Trump is too busy making the coal industry great again.
Put your money in the Stanley Steamer, it's the car of the future.

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Jan 27, 2018 10:30:22   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
bull drink water wrote:
I grew up in Cleveland ohio in the late 50's. we had the Cleveland trade school and the east and west technical high schools. they put a lot of ready new recruits into the work force. and don't forget the old standby, O.J.T. on the job training.


On The Job Training doesn’t work if you don’t have the basic sk**ls to work with—math and computers, for example, or electronics.

Those days are gone when you can make a living with a hammer and saw.

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Jan 27, 2018 10:31:30   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Checkmate wrote:
And more shop in high school. Don't know about other states but the DemoCraps have totally destroyed education in California.


Got anything to back that up?

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Jan 27, 2018 12:07:55   #
OlinBost Loc: Marietta, Ga.
 
the job issue is that companies only want people with degrees and it does not matter in what subject.

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Jan 27, 2018 13:15:11   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
boberic wrote:
Bring back Shop Class. That's where I learned the difference between the black wire, The White wire and the bare wire.


That difference is really shocking, isn't it?

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Jan 27, 2018 19:46:30   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
bull drink water wrote:
the solar panel installers are crying tariffs will hurt them by upping cost. you can't boost our economy by depending on cheap imports forever. we need more things made here. we need jobs for the unsk**led and semisk**led workers. they out number everybody else. since the 50' we have let whole industries go overseas. those days are over. we also can't afford to bring in sk**led workers for cheap labor and ignore training our own people in those sk**ls. we've just given industry a gift of 12 percent actual taxes, use the windfall to offset tariffs and open more factories HERE.
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Hey Bull, I see you grew up in my hometown! No disrespect, but I gotta disagree with you on this. I think there is a huge lack of information on this by most people.

Tariffs, just like corporate income tax, is paid for by the end of the line consumers. For instance, if you slap a $50.00 tariff on a car, then tax the company another $50.00 to make the car, then at the final point of sale, the auto dealer adds $100.00 to the price in order to cover the cost of the tariff and the tax, which he had to pay to the previous businesses involved in the chain. It is the American consumer who ends up paying for all of this stuff, not companies nor countries. One thing Conservatives couldn't stand about Trump is that he is for these high tariffs.

We actually manufacture goods at a staggering rate compared to the past, and compared to every other country, even China. Since the 1980's the U.S. has doubled its manufacturing output. The reason people think that we don't manufacture much anymore is because far fewer people are required for the jobs because of better technology and automation. There is far less need for low sk**led people in the U.S. because there are so many low sk**led workers in the rest of the World who will work for less wages. It would be counter-productive to pay somebody $15.00 an hour when somebody else will do it for $2.00 an hour. Nobody in their right mind would budget his household expenditures like this.

The question should not be "how are we going to give all these low-sk**led workers jobs?" It should be "how are we going to improve these low-sk**led workers abilities so they can do something useful?" Little known is the fact that America has the highest number of unfilled jobs in our history. There are something like 5 million jobs just waiting for somebody qualified to show up. So many people are on welfare now that they don't even care to go looking for a job or get some training.

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Jan 27, 2018 20:03:57   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Steven Seward wrote:
Hey Bull, I see you grew up in my hometown! No disrespect, but I gotta disagree with you on this. I think there is a huge lack of information on this by most people.

Tariffs, just like corporate income tax, is paid for by the end of the line consumers. For instance, if you slap a $50.00 tariff on a car, then tax the company another $50.00 to make the car, then at the final point of sale, the auto dealer adds $100.00 to the price in order to cover the cost of the tariff and the tax, which he had to pay to the previous businesses involved in the chain. It is the American consumer who ends up paying for all of this stuff, not companies nor countries. One thing Conservatives couldn't stand about Trump is that he is for these high tariffs.

We actually manufacture goods at a staggering rate compared to the past, and compared to every other country, even China. Since the 1980's the U.S. has doubled its manufacturing output. The reason people think that we don't manufacture much anymore is because far fewer people are required for the jobs because of better technology and automation. There is far less need for low sk**led people in the U.S. because there are so many low sk**led workers in the rest of the World who will work for less wages. It would be counter-productive to pay somebody $15.00 an hour when somebody else will do it for $2.00 an hour. Nobody in their right mind would budget his household expenditures like this.

The question should not be "how are we going to give all these low-sk**led workers jobs?" It should be "how are we going to improve these low-sk**led workers abilities so they can do something useful?" Little known is the fact that America has the highest number of unfilled jobs in our history. There are something like 5 million jobs just waiting for somebody qualified to show up. So many people are on welfare now that they don't even care to go looking for a job or get some training.
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Elon Musk recently said AI is going to put so many workers out of work, we're going to have to have a guaranteed income for a vast army of unemployed. These people will come from the service, labor, and highly educated fields of employment.


Kurt Vonnegut's 1952 Player Piano is worth a reread. A humorous touch, anyone that had a job had the title of Doctor, ex: Doctor of Real Estate etc.

"Player Piano is the first novel of American writer Kurt Vonnegut, published in 1952. It depicts a dystopia of automation, describing the negative impact it can have on quality of life.[1] The story takes place in a near-future society that is almost totally mechanized, eliminating the need for human laborers. This widespread mechanization creates conflict between the wealthy upper class—the engineers and managers who keep society running—and the lower class, whose sk**ls and purpose in society have been replaced by machines. The book uses irony and sentimentality, which were to become hallmarks developed further in Vonnegut's later works." wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_Piano_%28novel%29

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