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Dec 22, 2017 12:25:33   #
chaman
 
Kuzano wrote:
Not to get into old arguments here. I have rarely ever achieved the sharpness of many film images out of rangefinder and SLR camera's from the 70's through the 90's. In regard to digital, I have never accomplished the sharpness I got from my first serious DSLR's, an Olympus E-3 5 Mp Pro w/14-54 lens, or my Canon 5D 12 mp FF. That said, I buy and sell camera's mostly now and let the big money folks go for "sharp". It's over rated anyway. I just look through my archive for the sharpness I used to get with film and early digital. Mainly because I don't post process and certainly do not post process for sharpness. Also over rated and far too time consuming.

Also, I shoot film for sharp currently. It still works!
Not to get into old arguments here. I have rarely ... (show quote)


Sharp is over rated?? Really? That seems to be the argument of someone who cannot obtain a sharp image....kind of a strange POV, IMO.

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Dec 22, 2017 13:00:20   #
Raz Theo Loc: Music City
 
TJ28012 wrote:
Still love my D50 w/kit 18-55. And I have 2 more update/expensive bodies and many lenses.


Amen TJ28012

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Dec 22, 2017 13:05:46   #
Raz Theo Loc: Music City
 
tdekany wrote:
Either sigma is onto something, or maybe Nikon is slacking big time.

Also, have you tried manually focusing? W
How did that go?


tdekany, I have, not often, but with little consequence. I do know there are lenses out there besides Nikon and Canon that surprise the hell out of me - in a good way.
Thanks

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Dec 22, 2017 13:08:00   #
Raz Theo Loc: Music City
 
nhastings wrote:
Some of my old slides with Fuji Velvia 50, now digitized are the best shots ever. In some ways I long for those old film shots. But, I sure like instant gratification instead of waiting for a week.


nhastings, I wish I had the time, patience and wherewithal to digitize my slides which cover about 40 years. I can't keep up with my digital library.
Thanks.

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Dec 22, 2017 13:09:50   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Raz Theo wrote:
Lately I have been poring over old (12 years) digital files, reminiscing, approving/disapproving/eliminating many of the images. And I was surprised by one striking takeaway from my "research". In those days I was shooting a D50/Sigma 18-200 3.5-6.3 (no VR). Today I shoot a D500/Nikon 70-200mm 2.8 VRII (among other lenses). In my eternal (so-to-speak) quest for the holy grail - a really really sharp, in-focus image - I realized that old combo produced as sharp or sharper images as my latest "cutting edge" equipment. I realize that old combo can't compete with the faster glass, greater number of megapixels and crazy ISO potential of my current gear, but if I compare a simple landscape or daylight street shot or candid shots of the family, I'm struck dumb. And in some way, I feel dumb. Even stupid when I think of some of the money I've spent in the intervening years.
I hate not being sharp. Anybody else?
Lately I have been poring over old (12 years) digi... (show quote)

I've spent quite a bit on digital equipment as well (no regrets here), but it is film, that I still get the best image quality from (with all that old gear)!

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Dec 22, 2017 13:16:53   #
nhastings Loc: Telluride, CO
 
Hi Raz. Out of thousands of slides, I think I have about 70 digitized with a tango drum scanner. It is expensive but I only digitize those images I believe are worth printing and selling. I tried a Canon Scanner many years ago and yes, it takes lots of time and patience and never quite did the job correctly. If it is that good an image, I let a professional digitize it.

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Dec 22, 2017 13:20:57   #
Raz Theo Loc: Music City
 
chase4 wrote:
The D50 was my first DSLR and I still have two of 'em. They were and still are great at 6 MP but I sometimes print big and now use more updated, higher MP cameras. I still believe that the major keys to "sharpness" is understanding exposure and employing the proper techniques to achieve same. Cheers, chase


chase4, I too wish I had kept my D50, my first digital too. For that matter I wish I had kept my D7000. And ultimately you are correct: Proper techniques win the day - I can't agree more. But when I compare my personal stuff I try to consider the way I shoot today with the techniques I used yesterday, apples to apples. Meaning that if a collection of shots then were primarily handheld, I compare them to a similar group today. And so on, with tripod etc.
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Dec 22, 2017 13:29:50   #
Raz Theo Loc: Music City
 
rpavich wrote:
I'm with you.

I've spent a small fortune on gear only to realize that it wasn't that important. I think that mainly I stopped being obsessed with sharpness...that helped a lot.


rpavich, I can't agree more and I'm glad I've come to my senses at this point - my obsessive addiction couldn't afford your obsessive addiction. Just like most folk, I just like the pop from an image that is in focus.
Thanks

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Dec 22, 2017 13:51:29   #
Raz Theo Loc: Music City
 
Fotoartist wrote:
After all is said and done and after all the ways you rank good shots, sharpness, dynamic range, good color, etc. the most important thing that remains is the Content—did you get the shot or come back without it.


Fotoartist, I can't agree more. I generally don't have time for a tripod. I want to "get the shot" so bad, 90% of my stuff has been handheld. So when I think about focus it is relative to the conditions in which I shoot and which define sort of a sliding scale for accepting or rejecting the image. Get the shot by all means - in my former business we used to say "we'll fix it in post".
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Dec 22, 2017 13:52:55   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
To get the shot the best camera is the one you have at the time.

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Dec 22, 2017 14:56:11   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
For me, sharpness is not the most important thing; it is not something I obsess about very much. Images that express something is what matters most to me.

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Dec 22, 2017 15:17:17   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Raz Theo wrote:
tdekany, I have, not often, but with little consequence. I do know there are lenses out there besides Nikon and Canon that surprise the hell out of me - in a good way.
Thanks


I meant on a tripod, mirror up manual focus to see if the new combo is any better?

Since I don’t know where your gear came from, I’d say call Nikon and find out what they think.

Your old gear should not be producing better results technically.

As you age, we usually get less steady. That may be a reason, don’t you think?

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Dec 22, 2017 15:17:49   #
chaman
 
What good is an image, if its not sharp enough or clear enough? I mean, if you want an image to express something, the sharpness needs to be part of the equation, unless you went for softness on purpose. Of course "on purpose" means that it was planned, not that you failed to get a good image and try to say it was soft after the fact. Historical and photojournalism related images dont need to be always sharp since what they show and document are the most important things. I hope some here are not making up excuses to strive for the clearest and sharpest image possible.

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Dec 22, 2017 15:40:40   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Kuzano wrote:
Not to get into old arguments here. I have rarely ever achieved the sharpness of many film images out of rangefinder and SLR camera's from the 70's through the 90's. In regard to digital, I have never accomplished the sharpness I got from my first serious DSLR's, an Olympus E-3 5 Mp Pro w/14-54 lens, or my Canon 5D 12 mp FF. That said, I buy and sell camera's mostly now and let the big money folks go for "sharp". It's over rated anyway. I just look through my archive for the sharpness I used to get with film and early digital. Mainly because I don't post process and certainly do not post process for sharpness. Also over rated and far too time consuming.

Also, I shoot film for sharp currently. It still works!
Not to get into old arguments here. I have rarely ... (show quote)

Before I switched to digital, I had a professional scan a few my slides, and then I compared the scans to the projected slides. Everything on the {Kodachrome} slide was also on the {6mp} scanned image. Since getting my 16mp Pentax K-30, every image is sharper than what I got, sometimes using the same lens, using Kodachrome in my Pentax Super Program.

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Dec 22, 2017 17:15:55   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
No dog in the fight, just a comment: it appears to me that the gap between the two “sides” will never close because the base philosophical approaches are different. It’s like two persons: one with a strong belief in a deity and the other an atheist trying to come to agreement on the afterlife.

Not happening.

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