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Nov 21, 2017 09:55:15   #
Wanderer2 Loc: Colorado Rocky Mountains
 
Mark1948 wrote:
I've been shooting w/a crop sensor Canon T6s for a while but after shooting film for decades, I'm thinking about biting the bullet & going for a Canon 5DSR. I'm looking for max sharpness but, wow, it is way heavier than my crop sensor.

I'd like feedback from anyone who might have gone this route.


I went from a Canon 60D to full frame last year, although not to a Canon FF. If your goal is "max sharpness" then
to specifically answer your question, going to FF is a "yes." As others have said you may need to replace your lenses for that FF maximum sharpness. I use my FF for landscapes and did find a significant increase in sharpness with large prints.

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Nov 21, 2017 10:20:04   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
Mark1948 wrote:
I've been shooting w/a crop sensor Canon T6s for a while but after shooting film for decades, I'm thinking about biting the bullet & going for a Canon 5DSR. I'm looking for max sharpness but, wow, it is way heavier than my crop sensor.

I'd like feedback from anyone who might have gone this route.


I think the question should be do you see a lack of sharpness in your prints now? If not, save the money. Avoid GAS attack! >Alan

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Nov 21, 2017 11:09:55   #
jeryh Loc: Oxfordshire UK
 
Really it depends on what you want; I use both DX & FX cameras. If i wish to do Landscape, then I mostly use FX, particularly with wide angle lenses.If I am shooting birds, then a mixture of both, although I prefer FX with prime lenses, such as Nikon 300 F4 with a D3.

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Nov 21, 2017 11:14:10   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
Mark1948 wrote:
I've been shooting w/a crop sensor Canon T6s for a while but after shooting film for decades, I'm thinking about biting the bullet & going for a Canon 5DSR. I'm looking for max sharpness but, wow, it is way heavier than my crop sensor.

I'd like feedback from anyone who might have gone this route.


Think about what you shoot. If wildlife or birds you will not have the reach you now have. The IQ should be better with the 5DSR over the T6 but get ready to also spend some more money on better glass. It's more then a one step process.

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Nov 21, 2017 11:38:24   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Mark1948 wrote:
I've been shooting w/a crop sensor Canon T6s for a while but after shooting film for decades, I'm thinking about biting the bullet & going for a Canon 5DSR. I'm looking for max sharpness but, wow, it is way heavier than my crop sensor.

I'd like feedback from anyone who might have gone this route.


While the 5DSR is an excellent camera I suggest you consider the 5DIV. At 30mp the resolution is outstanding, it has an excellent auto-focus, and it's low-light/high ISO capabilities are far better then the 5DSR. It also has more capabilities then most anyone will ever use. I get excellent results with both my EF 16-35 f/4 L and my EF 100-400 L II. You can't beat the 5DSR's resolution, but that's not the whole story. The 5DIV, IMO, is a much more well-rounded camera.

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Nov 21, 2017 11:46:06   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
LFingar wrote:
While the 5DSR is an excellent camera I suggest you consider the 5DIV. At 30mp the resolution is outstanding, it has an excellent auto-focus, and it's low-light/high ISO capabilities are far better then the 5DSR. It also has more capabilities then most anyone will ever use. I get excellent results with both my EF 16-35 f/4 L and my EF 100-400 L II. You can't beat the 5DSR's resolution, but that's not the whole story. The 5DIV, IMO, is a much more well-rounded camera.



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Nov 21, 2017 12:16:27   #
jwn Loc: SOUTHEAST GEORGIA USA
 
just added the mark 4 with 6d to my bag...from what I read the S or R will be mainly a tripod camera.....I volunteered at the RSM pga golf tournament. the pros using Canon were hauling the mark 4 and 1d with the 200-400 lens and 24-105. The Getty pro was using mark 4 and 1dx. there were 3 Canon pros to every Nickon. each camera has it's own niche

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Nov 21, 2017 12:49:04   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I bought an old model FF for the extra width in landscapes. I rarely use it. The DX camera shooting 3 overlapping shots in vertical mode to create a pano gets the same field of view as a landscape shot with the FF, but with more detail because the equivalent focal length of the lens increases.

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Nov 21, 2017 13:02:46   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Mark1948 wrote:
I've been shooting w/a crop sensor Canon T6s for a while but after shooting film for decades, I'm thinking about biting the bullet & going for a Canon 5DSR. I'm looking for max sharpness but, wow, it is way heavier than my crop sensor.

I'd like feedback from anyone who might have gone this route.

Normally the lens is more responsible for "max sharpness" than the camera body...

bwa

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Nov 21, 2017 13:17:45   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
I have and use both, but if weight is an issue, you may want to look at the M4/3 line of products. Personally, I like the added weight.

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Nov 21, 2017 13:27:57   #
James Van Ells
 
you need to be mindful of what you are shooting and the lighting. Some reviews of the 5DSR show the readers are unhappy with the camera because it is not that good in low light. Some reports are lamenting anything above ISO 800-1000 and some reviews say this is a great landscape and studio camera. If you are set on that body, look for a used or refurbished body from Canon. The refurbished units carry the same Canon warranty as a new camera. You will need good glass for this camera so save your peanut shells. I did consider the 5DSR but went with the 5DIV and have taken great pictures at ISO 6400.

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Nov 21, 2017 13:49:23   #
aggiedad Loc: Corona, ca
 
Good advice. The problem with crop lenses is that they don’t fit full frame. If you go crop buy ef lenses as you go. They fit crop bodies, and enable you to go full frame if & when you decide to make that move.

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Nov 21, 2017 17:14:00   #
Selene03
 
You sound like you are ready to upgrade your camera. I have both the 5d mkIV and the 5dsr -- they are both great cameras that produce wonderful photos, especially when combined with good lenses. I love the resolution on the 5dsr, but often find myself grabbing the mkIV because of its versatility (shooting from moving vehicles--boats, planes, etc, at night, on tours where I have to move quickly, when photographing bif), though when I have time too set up shots, the 5dsr is amazing. I have carried both around all day, sometimes with the 100-400 II canon lens. That can get heavy, but with other lens it is ok. I am guessing you will get used to it. If you want to stick with Canon, there are some great deals on the 6D right now--I took that one everywhere, and another option might be a 7D mkII or an 80D--both will give you better iq than the camera you are using and you can continue to use the same lenses. You might also investigate upgrading the lenses you are using.

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Nov 21, 2017 19:12:07   #
Al Freeedman
 
Mark,

I have the Canon T6i and love it. Sharpness will depend mostly on the lenses.
If you print larger then 16X20, I doubt if you'll see any difference.

I've read that using an EF lens on a cropped sensor camera you are using 80 % of
what is being projected on the sensor In other words, you are loosing the soft edges.

Captain Al

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Nov 21, 2017 20:47:00   #
wds0410 Loc: Nunya
 
Boris Ekner wrote:
When reading my reply, please take into account that I have no clue about your level of knowledge.

Here is my answer to a similar question at another location.

Cropped or full frame sensor?

Some argue that there's no need, or very little use, for more than 20MP. Others disagree.

The sensor...
A cropped sensor is smaller than the size of a full sensor. A full sensor is 36x24mm's. The full frame sensor size comes from, is the same as, the era of 35mm film.

So if a cropped sensor has the same amount of pixels as a full size one it means that the full frame sensor has bigger/larger pixels, and vice versa, when compared.

This has an impact in some picture quality.

In general these two sensors have distinct differences. If the two sensors have the same amount of pixels, the cropped sensor produces a sharper picture as the pixels are smaller than a full frame sensor. This means that if you shoot full frame you might experience a higher level of grain in your pictures. However, with experience comes the better quality. So if you ever buy a full frame camera you will eventually learn to shoot without the grain disturbance.

On the other hand a full frame sensor responds better to light which means that you can shoot at higher shutter speeds without losing picture quality.

Furthermore, a full frame sensor has a smaller/shallower depth of field than a crop sensor. Sometimes this smaller depth of field is preferable, sometimes it is not.

So what you lose on the carousel you gain in the rollercoaster.

In order to answer your question; I'd say that Yes megapixel count is important to some extent. In general, the higher the amount the better the picture quality, but not without consequences...

From my point of view I no longer see the need for me to get a camera with more than the 24MP I got. I see no justification for the heavily increased cost.

No matter how much I want a Pagani Zonda, a Koenigsegg, or a MacLaren F1 I will never get one. Far more reasonable is getting a Fiat 500 Abarth. It's the same with the camera. No matter how I could crave for a professional Nikon I will settle with the D5300 I have. Because it's the best one I could find that suits my interest and economy.

Now, comparing your phone camera to a real one is another story. Your phone camera is very capable, there's no doubt about that. But it has its limitations. You can't print quality prints in large formats. This means that nor can you zoom in on it for cropping parts out. This is a consequence from the tiny sensor size, and from the amount of pixels it has.

More here:
https://www.slrlounge.com/the-truth-behind-the-megapixel-myth/

Comparing DX vs FX photos:
https://youtu.be/XFncHWMuWX0

Here are two different, refreshing, views on the topic from two professional photographers. Both arguing that it’s not about size, but all about pixel density.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=PHYidejT3KY

https://youtu.be/B9be2mrOOJg



The added picture of the ship is shot by Jim Stascavage, with a Nikon D7200, it's a 24MP cropped sensor camera.
- Seeing this ship covering an entire wall, I see no need for a full frame camera. Far better is to learn to use the one I have, and spend my hard earned money on lenses instead.

After camera purchase I recommend you read
- "your camera model" For Dummies.
- Stunning Digital Photography by Tony Northrup.
- Secrets To The Nikon Autofocus System by Steve Perry. If it's a Nikon you got.
- Understanding Exposure by Bryan Peterson.

Secrets To... is my favorite, with Understanding... coming up as second.

http://backcountrygallery.com/secrets-nikon-autofocus-system/

All are well invested pennies.

A bad photographer will take bad pictures with a good camera. A good photographer will shoot good pictures with a lousy camera. It’s not about the equipment. It’s all about what is behind it.

https://www.demilked.com/pro-photography-cheap-camera-phillip-haumesser/
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Boris,
Thanks for the great information. I've been going through the same problem, FF or Crop, and your reply has helped me with this decision.

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