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Nov 19, 2017 17:45:33   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
Davethehiker wrote:
I just "double downloaded" the image that you just provide. It's looks like you use the same umbrella I did. LOL


Copy cat! LOL

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Nov 20, 2017 12:29:43   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
Weddingguy wrote:
Copy cat! LOL


As promised here is a photo I took today, available light coming from a North facing window augmented a bit with the same silver reflector that I used for the flash photo.

Some things I learned during this exercise:

1) A pretty personable model helps getting a pretty picture.
2) I lucked out with my wife and my 85mm f/1.4 lens.
3) Both flash and controlled natural lighting work. Both require thought and planing.
4) Maybe natural lighting has the edge when photographing a mature woman, but this could change depending on who is working the camera.
5) Flash provides consistency. It was sunny outside when I took this photo, but that could change from day to day.
6) Highlight from the window show up in the subjects eyes just like they do with flashes.

In the process, for some reason my Nik filters started to cause PS to crash. I had to UN-install them, download them and re-install them to get them to work. I did not need to use the NIK filter other than to slightly tweak the "Pro Contrast" just a tad on this photo. I could have flattered her more by masking in PS and turning down the "dynamic sharpening" using NIK filters, but I did not do that in this picture or the recent flash version. I did not want to add confusion.

I learned a lot! Thank you everyone who made suggestions. I hope some other who were lurking learned a bit too.

An open mouthed smile is just a natural expression for my wife. It seems to work.


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Nov 20, 2017 14:52:15   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
Davethehiker wrote:
As promised here is a photo I took today, available light coming from a North facing window augmented a bit with the same silver reflector that I used for the flash photo.

Some things I learned during this exercise:

1) A pretty personable model helps getting a pretty picture.
2) I lucked out with my wife and my 85mm f/1.4 lens.
3) Both flash and controlled natural lighting work. Both require thought and planing.
4) Maybe natural lighting has the edge when photographing a mature woman, but this could change depending on who is working the camera.
5) Flash provides consistency. It was sunny outside when I took this photo, but that could change from day to day.
6) Highlight from the window show up in the subjects eyes just like they do with flashes.

In the process, for some reason my Nik filters started to cause PS to crash. I had to UN-install them, download them and re-install them to get them to work. I did not need to use the NIK filter other than to slightly tweak the "Pro Contrast" just a tad on this photo. I could have flattered her more by masking in PS and turning down the "dynamic sharpening" using NIK filters, but I did not do that in this picture or the recent flash version. I did not want to add confusion.

I learned a lot! Thank you everyone who made suggestions. I hope some other who were lurking learned a bit too.

An open mouthed smile is just a natural expression for my wife. It seems to work.
As promised here is a photo I took today, availabl... (show quote)


Much better! Like the lighting, expression, background, higher camera angle . . . only critique would be that at F/2.8 you don't have enough DOF. The nose is OOF, the eyebrows and left eye are in focus, but the right eye is OOF. Those eyes are most important to be tack sharp. With that lens and that distance from the subject I would be using about F/5.6. A sharp image is more important than worrying about an OOF background. Err to the side of sharpness.
For the sake of critique and guidance I would suggest far less "tweaking". Just SOOC is best to be able to see what's going on.
Keep on shootin'

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Nov 20, 2017 17:11:32   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
Reinaldokool wrote:
Pretty good. She looks comfortable. No major problems with the lighting except that the light on her right is way too powerful and really doesn't add anything. I would move it up. Turn it down and fashion a snoot to make it a hair light. That would bring more life to the image.

I don't use the NIK filters. I learned about shooting older women from a pro. He usually made a duplicate layer, turned the transparency way down to about 45% added some gaussian noise to it and then masked out the eyes, nose, mouth, hair, jewelry. That kept the feeling of sharpness, but also softened all the skin. I still do that. It only takes two minutes and works better than any of the addins I've tried.

Your wife is a gorgeous woman who has lost little of her evident vivaciousness with the years. Give her a kiss for me.
Pretty good. She looks comfortable. No major probl... (show quote)


I love experimenting. Your suggestion about masking the eyes, mouth and jewelry and adding a Gaussian blur gave me some ideas. I decided to see when I could do to flatter the subject (Make her look younger and more doll like.) I masked the eyes and mouth and then used NIK color effects Pro to hide skin imperfections. I then made the eyes look in focus by selecting the iris and turning up the contrast. I whitened her teeth while I was at it. I told my wife that if something happens to me she could could use this image on Match.com LOL


Weddingguy wrote:
Much better! Like the lighting, expression, background, higher camera angle . . . only critique would be that at F/2.8 you don't have enough DOF. The nose is OOF, the eyebrows and left eye are in focus, but the right eye is OOF. Those eyes are most important to be tack sharp. With that lens and that distance from the subject I would be using about F/5.6. A sharp image is more important than worrying about an OOF background. Err to the side of sharpness.
For the sake of critique and guidance I would suggest far less "tweaking". Just SOOC is best to be able to see what's going on.
Keep on shootin'
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I can clearly see what you are talking about. I should have used a higher f-stop to get her face in better focus. The reason I used f/2.8 was I was not using a tripod and was worried about camera shake. I probably could have got away with f/5.6 and will keep that in mind in the future. I have a lot more playing and learning to do.

My wife knows what I did. She is a professional artist and did not mind.
My wife knows what I did. She is a professional ar...
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Nov 20, 2017 22:37:07   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
Weddingguy wrote:
Much better! A sharp image is more important than worrying about an OOF background. Err to the side of sharpness.
Keep on shootin'


I think you might like this one better. I shot about a dozen photos of her by the window. I used two lenses, a 85mm f/1.4 and a 50mm f/1.4. The camera was set to f/2.8 in both cases. I had to lean a little closer with the 50mm and 50mm is not normally considered a portrait lens, it's the "normal" lens. However, using the 50mm at f/2.8 gave me slightly better depth of field. Everything from the tip of her nose and both eyes are in sharp focus. The ears and shirt are OOF. More depth of field would not have hurt. I'm glad the focus on the folding screen behind her is out of focus.

I did not sharpen the eyes in this photo, they are really in focus.

Face in focus
Face in focus...
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Nov 21, 2017 05:42:50   #
justhercamera Loc: NW Michigan
 
I am (was) a lurker of this thread. Watching the shots, the responses... and hearing the story of your relationship... are all enjoyable and informative. Consider this encouragement to keep it going.

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Nov 21, 2017 08:00:54   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
justhercamera wrote:
I am (was) a lurker of this thread. Watching the shots, the responses... and hearing the story of your relationship... are all enjoyable and informative. Consider this encouragement to keep it going.

Thank you for coming out of the shadows and the comments. As of this morning this tread has been viewed 1333 times! I'm sure a lot of people benefited from the generous advice I was given.

I'll now share more of the story. I lost my first wife to cancer. For a while after my wife's passing I was a "player." A life style that did not fulfill me. Then I discovered that I had cancer and needed to undergo chemotherapy. The younger women in my life abandoned me; I was a very sick old man. The girl in photo had just retired from her job as a High School Art teacher. She drove hundreds of miles across three states and moved in with me. I spent most of my time sick in bed. She prepared beautiful and delicious meals for me. She held me when I slept. This went on for an entire winter. By Spring I was able to care for myself. I'm now in a very durable remission, and if the cancer every comes back the doctors know how to drive it back into remission. I'm really very strong and healthy now.

At a latter HS reunion I wore my Tux. I told this story to the entire class of 1959. I then dropped to one knee and proposed to her in front of the entire class. She said yes! These are indeed my golden years.


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Nov 21, 2017 09:02:36   #
deer2ker Loc: Nashville, TN
 
What a wonderful story! Thank you for sharing it with us - you are a blessed man and she is as well ;)
Davethehiker wrote:
Thank you for coming out of the shadows and the comments. As of this morning this tread has been viewed 1333 times! I'm sure a lot of people benefited from the generous advice I was given.

I'll now share more of the story. I lost my first wife to cancer. For a while after my wife's passing I was a "player." A life style that did not fulfill me. Then I discovered that I had cancer and needed to undergo chemotherapy. The younger women in my life abandoned me; I was a very sick old man. The girl in photo had just retired from her job as a High School Art teacher. She drove hundreds of miles across three states and moved in with me. I spent most of my time sick in bed. She prepared beautiful and delicious meals for me. She held me when I slept. This went on for an entire winter. By Spring I was able to care for myself. I'm now in a very durable remission, and if the cancer every comes back the doctors know how to drive it back into remission. I'm really very strong and healthy now.

At a latter HS reunion I wore my Tux. I told this story to the entire class of 1959. I then dropped to one knee and proposed to her in front of the entire class. She said yes! These are indeed my golden years.
Thank you for coming out of the shadows and the co... (show quote)

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