Global Warming... Bah Humbug
Nov 10, 2017 14:11:49 #
The pix say it all...
bwa
bwa
Nov 10, 2017 14:36:28 #
bwana wrote:
The pix say it all...
bwa
bwa
Nothing prettier than freshly fallen snow. Nice images.
Nov 10, 2017 14:41:24 #
Nov 10, 2017 15:00:22 #
Anyone who thinks that we are significant enough to change this planet's climate is an egotist. A few volcanoes can do more damage than all our attempts world-wide combined. That's the conclusion I came up with. Al Gore's famous graph is deceptive. It doesn't start at 0,0 in the left hand corner, for one thing. Please do your own research. Don't believe me one way or another.
Nov 10, 2017 22:15:06 #
Nov 10, 2017 22:25:45 #
First, nice pictures of beautiful scenes.
My brother spent a very large part of his 23 1/2 years as a medic in the Army in either Korea or Germany. He now lives in Florida and says he will consider snow sports when they invent warm snow.
I am a retired history and geography teacher. I once went through a phase of reading and studying everything I could find on past climate trends etc.. The world's climate has always changed and gone through cycles many more extreme than even the current bunch are coming up with based on their computer models. Humans used to be able to walk from Siberia to Alaska, the Los Angeles Basin to Catalina Island and mainland Europe to Great Britain just to show a few things changed by climate cycles of the past. And almost all of that happened before humans had anything but campfires, or there were even any humans at all.
The number one factor, esp when it concerns global temps is the Sun.
Does man have influence, of course, esp in some areas - but the Sun and its output cycles is far more important.
Some studies show that even if the things they want are done 100% the effect will less than 1 degree while ruining large parts of the world's economies and costing truly vast amounts of money.
Better we put the effort into learning to cope and live with the changes. Like in some places where floods are a fact of life they have rebuilt towns etc on the high ground instead of back on the flood plains.
My brother spent a very large part of his 23 1/2 years as a medic in the Army in either Korea or Germany. He now lives in Florida and says he will consider snow sports when they invent warm snow.
I am a retired history and geography teacher. I once went through a phase of reading and studying everything I could find on past climate trends etc.. The world's climate has always changed and gone through cycles many more extreme than even the current bunch are coming up with based on their computer models. Humans used to be able to walk from Siberia to Alaska, the Los Angeles Basin to Catalina Island and mainland Europe to Great Britain just to show a few things changed by climate cycles of the past. And almost all of that happened before humans had anything but campfires, or there were even any humans at all.
The number one factor, esp when it concerns global temps is the Sun.
Does man have influence, of course, esp in some areas - but the Sun and its output cycles is far more important.
Some studies show that even if the things they want are done 100% the effect will less than 1 degree while ruining large parts of the world's economies and costing truly vast amounts of money.
Better we put the effort into learning to cope and live with the changes. Like in some places where floods are a fact of life they have rebuilt towns etc on the high ground instead of back on the flood plains.
Nov 11, 2017 01:16:36 #
robertjerl wrote:
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He now lives in Florida and says he will consider snow sports when they invent warm snow.
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Better we put the effort into learning to cope and live with the changes. Like in some places where floods are a fact of life they have rebuilt towns etc on the high ground instead of back on the flood plains.
He now lives in Florida and says he will consider snow sports when they invent warm snow.
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Better we put the effort into learning to cope and live with the changes. Like in some places where floods are a fact of life they have rebuilt towns etc on the high ground instead of back on the flood plains.
At the moment "warm snow" would be a minor flood but "warm" is a nice thought!
Climate change on planet Earth has been a fact of life for at least millions if not billions of years. This isn't going to change. Adapt or die has always been nature's approach to change. We know we're coming out of an ice age and sea levels are going to go up more than they already have. Building on flood plains has never been too smart BUT now it is even dumber!
Humans function on a life span time scale, i.e.: 100+/- years. Nature works on thousands or millions of years. It is hard for humans to see and recognize the little changes that add up over nature's time span, like the 12-13,000 years since the last ice age... And the climate hasn't been constantly warming in those 12-13,000 years. The temperature has been up and down with some very significant peaks and pits during that time frame.
bwa
Nov 11, 2017 11:44:00 #
Beautiful pictures Brian!
But... you knew it would be like that.
You'll get little sympathy from me. I spent half my life trying to escape reality.
Living is God's Country a lot of it. My Mom told me that no matter where I lived, I always lived on the edge of a post card.
So it always comes with a price. Like enduring the sub-zero, for the wonder of 0 being T-shirt weather.
As far as Global Warming, Climate Change, or whatever they are calling it (I'm not listening..)
Hey, we'd still be in the Ice Age if not for the Earth warming. I'm glad!
And being an actual Southern California Native, born and raised here, I liken myself more to a lizard and bask in the heat.
But the true problem is in 1900 there was an estimated 1 billion people on the earth. Now there is nearly 7 billion. An almost 7 fold increase.
Ever watch a petri dish of bacteria? They multiply and consume until they kill themselves off....
Welcome to the Real World... But nobody wants to talk about that. It's easier to create hysteria over a warm summer's day.
And it's actually cooler on this end of my life, than it was on the beginning end.
Post before it's removed....
But... you knew it would be like that.
You'll get little sympathy from me. I spent half my life trying to escape reality.
Living is God's Country a lot of it. My Mom told me that no matter where I lived, I always lived on the edge of a post card.
So it always comes with a price. Like enduring the sub-zero, for the wonder of 0 being T-shirt weather.
As far as Global Warming, Climate Change, or whatever they are calling it (I'm not listening..)
Hey, we'd still be in the Ice Age if not for the Earth warming. I'm glad!
And being an actual Southern California Native, born and raised here, I liken myself more to a lizard and bask in the heat.
But the true problem is in 1900 there was an estimated 1 billion people on the earth. Now there is nearly 7 billion. An almost 7 fold increase.
Ever watch a petri dish of bacteria? They multiply and consume until they kill themselves off....
Welcome to the Real World... But nobody wants to talk about that. It's easier to create hysteria over a warm summer's day.
And it's actually cooler on this end of my life, than it was on the beginning end.
Post before it's removed....
Nov 11, 2017 18:44:32 #
GalaxyCat wrote:
Anyone who thinks that we are significant enough to change this planet's climate is an egotist. A few volcanoes can do more damage than all our attempts world-wide combined. That's the conclusion I came up with. Al Gore's famous graph is deceptive. It doesn't start at 0,0 in the left hand corner, for one thing. Please do your own research. Don't believe me one way or another.
I don’t believe you. Climate change has nothing to do with an instance of snow.
Nov 11, 2017 19:24:27 #
SonnyE wrote:
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Like enduring the sub-zero, for the wonder of 0 being T-shirt weather.
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Like enduring the sub-zero, for the wonder of 0 being T-shirt weather.
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It was a balmy +3C and sunny this afternoon... But the cloud is back tonight; crap!
bwa
Nov 11, 2017 19:38:49 #
robertjerl wrote:
First, nice pictures of beautiful scenes. br br ... (show quote)
I agree with you 100%, Jerry!
Nov 11, 2017 19:41:32 #
Robert Bailey
Loc: Canada
We don't have to believe in global warming.
If, however, you live near the ocean and are less than 10 feet above sea level
you might want to think about moving further inland to higher ground!
Many streets in Miami are already flooding regularly with high tides.
I don't have to say anything about New Orleans!
If, however, you live near the ocean and are less than 10 feet above sea level
you might want to think about moving further inland to higher ground!
Many streets in Miami are already flooding regularly with high tides.
I don't have to say anything about New Orleans!
Nov 11, 2017 23:10:44 #
bwana wrote:
It was a balmy +3C and sunny this afternoon... But the cloud is back tonight; crap!
bwa
bwa
I have balmy weather, but of late it's been a lot of cloudiness, and if it looks promising enough to set up, it goes to pot.
Rather frustrating to go through the hoops, then have the sky smother all the efforts.
But I did get some good imaging last night before getting shafted.
Nov 11, 2017 23:36:13 #
Robert Bailey wrote:
We don't have to believe in global warming.
If, however, you live near the ocean and are less than 10 feet above sea level
you might want to think about moving further inland to higher ground!
Many streets in Miami are already flooding regularly with high tides.
I don't have to say anything about New Orleans!
If, however, you live near the ocean and are less than 10 feet above sea level
you might want to think about moving further inland to higher ground!
Many streets in Miami are already flooding regularly with high tides.
I don't have to say anything about New Orleans!
New Orleans was built below sea level.
And Miami is ridiculous built where hurricanes can send surges flooding it.
I have a friend on the edge of Lake Pontchartrain in Lousyanna. His home is built on stilts for hurricane surges, and the area under his home has to have blow out walls. (Flimsy coverings that are meant to break away.)
And here, they try to outsmart earthquakes. Ridiculous!
I feel for our Grand Children who will be coping with this planet as the petri dish begins to die.
But it's a cycle no one can change. The Earth continues while the bacteria flourish, then dies off, then gets replaced by different bacteria.
Because in the grand scheme of the Universe Humans are pretty infinitesimal.
Still, it has been a fun ride.
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