Obamacare's Hideous History, Recounted: Amid John Roberts' craven surrender to "the political branches" on Obamacare -- a bizarre capitulation, at that, since Roberts honored a statute...

Archy Loc: Lake Hamilton, Florida

Amid John Roberts' craven surrender to "the political branches" on Obamacare -- a bizarre capitulation, at that, since Roberts honored a statute that he hallucinated, but neither Congress nor the president authored nor authorized -- Americans should remember just how many rules, standards, and traditions had to be twisted or bulldozed in order for the [un]Affordable Care Act to become law.

For Obamacare to be enacted in the first place required each of more than a dozen, highly unlikely or even suspect, occurrences or actions. It then took some serious constitutional hocus pocus for it to survive in court. Consider the awful litany:...http://spectator.org/archives/2012/07/03/obamacares-hideous-history-rec

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

Nonsense. There's a conspirator under every bed, isn't there ?

jsenear Loc: Hopkins, MN.

I have worked for Universal Health all my life. Why? We already have it. Any Emergency Room In the country is open to all who enter regardless of ability to pay. If they can't pay they don't. That's why this diatribe against "Obamacare" is so dumb. The taxpayers end up paying through higher insurance preminums. At least with Obamacare there is accountability!

Opus Loc: South East Michigan

jsenear wrote:

I have worked for Universal Health all my life. Why? We already have it. Any Emergency Room In the country is open to all who enter regardless of ability to pay. If they can't pay they don't. That's why this diatribe against "Obamacare" is so dumb. The taxpayers end up paying through higher insurance preminums. At least with Obamacare there is accountability!

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Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

There is not only greater accountability in the new law but medical costs will go down for all of us.

For one thing, if insurance is required, there will be premiums paid by younger, healthier individuals, a huge percentage of which don't have any medical insurance right now.

Secondly, people will have FREE access to preventative medical care, which insurance companies will be required to pay for, and which a huge percentage of people now don't have without paying.

And third, insurance companies will be required to spend most of their money on actual medical benefits, rather than being able to spend unlimited money on non-medical things such as executives' salaries. That's why now that the Supreme Court has decided the law is largely constitutional instead of throwing out the whole thing, more than a million people are now due to get refunds from the medical insurance companies.

The Republicans are responsible for spreading lie after lie about this bill. They are disgusting.

docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado

Archy wrote:

Amid John Roberts' craven surrender to "the p... (show quote)

Where was your outrage when the Roberts court ruled that corporations are people too?

jsenear Loc: Hopkins, MN.

Thats why I want to give Roberts a kiss. I will never doubt the fairness of the Supreme Court again. Our founding fathers knew what they were doing when they founded it. Roberts took the big step and I'm sure bore the wrath of the conservatives on the court to do the right thing for the people. I'm a little worried about Clarence Thomas having a heart attack. Oh thats right! He's missing a heart.

ole sarg Loc: south florida

Wholeheartedly agree. The man should be publicly whipped. To have voted for a bill that would insure some 30 million of our citizens is disgraceful. Those people should all be herded up and left to die in the Arizona desert. We don't need no nanny state.

jsenear Loc: Hopkins, MN.

Sarge- I LOVED YOUR POST. We are treading on dangerous waters. You know this is an anti Obamacare thread. S
hould we run and hide?

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

jsenear wrote:

Thats why I want to give Roberts a kiss. I will never doubt the fairness of the Supreme Court again. Our founding fathers knew what they were doing when they founded it. Roberts took the big step and I'm sure bore the wrath of the conservatives on the court to do the right thing for the people. I'm a little worried about Clarence Thomas having a heart attack. Oh thats right! He's missing a heart.

That's right. Never doubt the fairness of the Supreme Court again ! Ever hear of the Dred Scott Case ? The Court makes correct decisions and incorrect ones. Citizens United , unless corrected by the legislature, will eviscerate American democracy. Pigs will be able to fly before I think Corporations are people.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

No, this is not an anti-Obamacare thread. It is an anti Romneycare thread.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

ole sarg wrote:

Wholeheartedly agree. The man should be publicly whipped. To have voted for a bill that would insure some 30 million of our citizens is disgraceful. Those people should all be herded up and left to die in the Arizona desert. We don't need no nanny state.

Sarge, I have a better idea about what to do with those 30 million uninsured. Let's take them to the Antarctic, strip them down to only their underclothing, put them on an iceberg, and shove the iceberg out to sea, where it will melt and get rid of the problem.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

Would these same Obamacare naysayers approve of the situation if we struck down the law that emergency rooms are required to treat anyone who comes through their doors, regardless of whether or not they can pay ? How would they feel about it if many young people, a high percentage of which don't have medical coverage because they believe they are healthy and won't need it for a number of years, start dying on hospital lawns ?

A compassionate society does not allow people to do just because they don't have money or have not spent money. It shares the costs of care so everyone can live.

I am sure many of you disagree. Just my silly liberal (Christian ?) values. Maybe you are Christian until this affects your pocketbook.

jsenear Loc: Hopkins, MN.

Richard 94611. Yes you are correct. There have been many bad decisions by the Supreme Court including the one you site. I meant to say if Roberts can do what he did on this occasion there is hope for the court. Hope I never thought existed until now.

Spodeworld

Switzerland had a similar healthcare structure to what the US has now, with all the attendant problems. In about 1990 they instituted reforms not unlike Obamacare. There were all kinds of dire predictions about how the quality of care would collapse and prices would escalate. None of this happened. Their healthcare system emerged in much better shape and is functioning quite well now and everyone participates. All this was implemented by a conservative Prime Minister.